1 00:00:14,540 --> 00:00:07,330 [Music] 2 00:00:20,430 --> 00:00:17,580 hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin 3 00:00:22,650 --> 00:00:20,440 Willis your host and unfortunately I 4 00:00:24,870 --> 00:00:22,660 just got a no from Alejandro just to 5 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:24,880 just I don't know maybe 20 minutes ago 6 00:00:31,500 --> 00:00:28,650 he says dude I have nothing to say and 7 00:00:34,590 --> 00:00:31,510 so I said he was on a cruise last week 8 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:34,600 he says he has absolutely no idea if a 9 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:36,489 UFO even landed on the White House lawn 10 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:37,330 nothing 11 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:39,610 he has no idea so he said I don't really 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:40,930 have anything to talk about 13 00:00:45,390 --> 00:00:43,930 and so I said well why don't you skip it 14 00:00:48,119 --> 00:00:45,400 I said I think I'm gonna be able to get 15 00:00:49,619 --> 00:00:48,129 this guy that I have on the show I think 16 00:00:53,430 --> 00:00:49,629 I'm gonna be able to get him to talk a 17 00:00:55,170 --> 00:00:53,440 little bit and so our guest is Derek 18 00:00:56,759 --> 00:00:55,180 Gilbert and he's written a very 19 00:00:58,799 --> 00:00:56,769 interesting book it's actually a really 20 00:01:01,530 --> 00:00:58,809 good read and a lot of really good 21 00:01:03,479 --> 00:01:01,540 points I may have some objections to 22 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:03,489 some of the points but that's what 23 00:01:10,140 --> 00:01:06,130 should make it a decent interview I also 24 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:10,150 want to say on April we have a lot of 25 00:01:15,529 --> 00:01:11,770 great guests coming up next week it's 26 00:01:18,170 --> 00:01:15,539 going to be Greg Bishop a great guy so 27 00:01:20,940 --> 00:01:18,180 but on April 4th 28 00:01:24,420 --> 00:01:20,950 we have Robert Schroeder now he was on a 29 00:01:29,279 --> 00:01:24,430 long long time ago and he this weekend 30 00:01:30,990 --> 00:01:29,289 on March 17th Saturday at 2 o'clock he's 31 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:31,000 going to be at the Moores library in 32 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:34,329 Natick Massachusetts if anyone lives in 33 00:01:39,929 --> 00:01:37,810 that area he's great and you will see 34 00:01:44,039 --> 00:01:39,939 that on April 4th when he's here on the 35 00:01:45,620 --> 00:01:44,049 show so that is again that's at the 36 00:01:50,639 --> 00:01:45,630 Moores library in Natick Massachusetts 37 00:01:53,370 --> 00:01:50,649 this Saturday at 2 o'clock and so 38 00:01:55,770 --> 00:01:53,380 without further ado I would like to 39 00:01:56,969 --> 00:01:55,780 bring our guest on and I have a whole 40 00:01:59,520 --> 00:01:56,979 bunch of questions for him we're gonna 41 00:02:02,279 --> 00:01:59,530 be talking about his book which is the 42 00:02:04,980 --> 00:02:02,289 day the earth stands still a little play 43 00:02:07,620 --> 00:02:04,990 on words they're unmasking the the old 44 00:02:09,710 --> 00:02:07,630 gods behind ETS UFOs and the official 45 00:02:11,970 --> 00:02:09,720 disclosure movement welcome to the show 46 00:02:14,700 --> 00:02:11,980 it's my honor thanks for having me on 47 00:02:16,650 --> 00:02:14,710 yes now you know we've had up I'm in up 48 00:02:18,330 --> 00:02:16,660 I'm in a hotel room but first I have to 49 00:02:20,820 --> 00:02:18,340 explain this we're having a little bit 50 00:02:22,380 --> 00:02:20,830 of Internet issues but not as bad as 51 00:02:23,370 --> 00:02:22,390 Josh go ahead and tell what happened to 52 00:02:25,170 --> 00:02:23,380 your 53 00:02:28,500 --> 00:02:25,180 was compete a co guest this evening 54 00:02:30,930 --> 00:02:28,510 right well Josh and I are coworkers at 55 00:02:34,290 --> 00:02:30,940 Sky Watch TV which is a Christian 56 00:02:37,410 --> 00:02:34,300 television production company we produce 57 00:02:40,110 --> 00:02:37,420 a number of programs there the flagship 58 00:02:43,530 --> 00:02:40,120 program is syndicated the rest are sent 59 00:02:46,740 --> 00:02:43,540 or sent out through YouTube video 60 00:02:48,030 --> 00:02:46,750 oh boo Apple TV so forth but we noticed 61 00:02:50,730 --> 00:02:48,040 this afternoon as we were getting ready 62 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:50,740 to upload the last of the programs we 63 00:02:54,300 --> 00:02:51,850 need to descend back to our networks 64 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:54,310 today that our internet died and we've 65 00:02:57,540 --> 00:02:55,690 had some issues we're located in a small 66 00:03:00,090 --> 00:02:57,550 town in the Missouri Ozarks you know our 67 00:03:03,020 --> 00:03:00,100 town in which we're based is about 1,400 68 00:03:05,340 --> 00:03:03,030 people the county in which we live has 69 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:05,350 twenty twenty thousand five thousand 70 00:03:09,540 --> 00:03:07,330 people who may be county seats four 71 00:03:11,670 --> 00:03:09,550 hundred and forty people so we don't 72 00:03:13,350 --> 00:03:11,680 expect great internet but we do pay a 73 00:03:16,020 --> 00:03:13,360 premium to try to get decent enough 74 00:03:18,450 --> 00:03:16,030 internet that we can send full HD video 75 00:03:19,380 --> 00:03:18,460 files back and forth nothing happened 76 00:03:21,390 --> 00:03:19,390 after about 2:00 o'clock this afternoon 77 00:03:23,220 --> 00:03:21,400 but it turns out we're not alone the 78 00:03:24,060 --> 00:03:23,230 entire state of Missouri practically 79 00:03:27,750 --> 00:03:24,070 Mediacom 80 00:03:29,610 --> 00:03:27,760 and somebody sliced through - well it's 81 00:03:32,610 --> 00:03:29,620 not somebody somebody's two separate 82 00:03:35,070 --> 00:03:32,620 fiber optic cables were cut today in 83 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:35,080 different parts of the state the main 84 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:36,370 cable up in the northwest part of the 85 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:38,050 state miss is according to local news 86 00:03:41,250 --> 00:03:39,850 here the other in the central part of 87 00:03:44,610 --> 00:03:41,260 the state near the town of Cuba which 88 00:03:47,220 --> 00:03:44,620 was the backup line so all the Mediacom 89 00:03:48,630 --> 00:03:47,230 Cable and Internet and phone customers 90 00:03:50,190 --> 00:03:48,640 in Missouri from st. Louis to Kansas 91 00:03:51,990 --> 00:03:50,200 City are waiting for them to get to one 92 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:52,000 or both of those lines stitched back 93 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:53,770 together and of course Josh is one of 94 00:03:58,949 --> 00:03:55,690 those customers Wow 95 00:04:01,440 --> 00:03:58,959 so is it the Russians yeah probably yeah 96 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:01,450 yeah I think so yeah there is a lot 97 00:04:09,090 --> 00:04:03,010 going on well Lisa it's not you know 98 00:04:11,699 --> 00:04:09,100 some nerve agent yeah so the book as I 99 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:11,709 said it was an interesting read and so 100 00:04:16,830 --> 00:04:13,450 we got a we got a long time to kill here 101 00:04:19,110 --> 00:04:16,840 but I want to ask you first of all what 102 00:04:22,170 --> 00:04:19,120 was the what was the source of you 103 00:04:24,030 --> 00:04:22,180 coming up with this a book what what 104 00:04:27,900 --> 00:04:24,040 what started your path on it 105 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:27,910 well Josh and I both are you know geeks 106 00:04:33,450 --> 00:04:30,610 from from way back I was a big big in 107 00:04:35,159 --> 00:04:33,460 still an big science-fiction fan loved 108 00:04:36,780 --> 00:04:35,169 hard sided science fiction growing up 109 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:36,790 read everything I could get my hands on 110 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:38,890 by Larry Niven especially Jerry 111 00:04:43,830 --> 00:04:40,570 Pournelle who just recently passed away 112 00:04:47,250 --> 00:04:43,840 sadly isaac asimov Robert Heinlein's so 113 00:04:52,380 --> 00:04:47,260 authors like that were my bread and 114 00:04:53,940 --> 00:04:52,390 butter through high school Josh supper 115 00:04:55,410 --> 00:04:53,950 paths you know always fascinated with 116 00:04:58,710 --> 00:04:55,420 the idea that there might be life out 117 00:05:00,270 --> 00:04:58,720 there in outer space now fast forward a 118 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:00,280 few years we find ourselves here in this 119 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:02,890 place both of us coming at this from an 120 00:05:06,090 --> 00:05:04,810 unashamedly and ultimately Christian 121 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:06,100 point of view but I think with a 122 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:07,450 different perspective than a lot of 123 00:05:14,910 --> 00:05:10,890 Christians have on the UFO phenomenon a 124 00:05:19,380 --> 00:05:14,920 lot of the the books that have been 125 00:05:21,650 --> 00:05:19,390 written about UFOs by Christians tend to 126 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:21,660 just dismiss the whole thing as either 127 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:25,930 non-existent or as the return of the 128 00:05:30,420 --> 00:05:27,690 Nephilim it's all demonic in other words 129 00:05:33,390 --> 00:05:30,430 and we kind of fall somewhere in the 130 00:05:35,220 --> 00:05:33,400 middle we don't deny that something is 131 00:05:36,930 --> 00:05:35,230 going on but we think the evidence 132 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:36,940 suggests that it's something different 133 00:05:44,010 --> 00:05:40,450 than what most people think it is we 134 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:44,020 also wanted to address a question that I 135 00:05:48,870 --> 00:05:46,810 think a lot of Christians make make 136 00:05:52,290 --> 00:05:48,880 Christians nervous about the phenomenon 137 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:52,300 if a UFO over to land on the White House 138 00:05:58,770 --> 00:05:55,770 lawn a an actual actual extraterrestrial 139 00:06:01,680 --> 00:05:58,780 spacecraft a lot of Christians I think 140 00:06:05,130 --> 00:06:01,690 would find their faith really shaken and 141 00:06:06,630 --> 00:06:05,140 we address that in the book because we 142 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:06,640 believe that a proper understanding of 143 00:06:12,330 --> 00:06:09,490 Christian theology means we don't need 144 00:06:13,700 --> 00:06:12,340 to worry about zeta-reticulans landing 145 00:06:19,290 --> 00:06:13,710 on the White House lawn somehow 146 00:06:21,450 --> 00:06:19,300 debunking the Bible okay so I was 147 00:06:26,250 --> 00:06:21,460 thinking about asking you some questions 148 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:26,260 along the line of you know I understand 149 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:30,130 that there is a really good point to be 150 00:06:39,060 --> 00:06:34,330 make made about that it's sort of like a 151 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:39,070 religion you know UFOs can be and I I 152 00:06:43,740 --> 00:06:41,050 have actually seen and I do agree with a 153 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:43,750 number of things in your book especially 154 00:06:50,290 --> 00:06:47,770 in every time I drop this name name I 155 00:06:52,510 --> 00:06:50,300 get I get some hate mail 156 00:06:56,590 --> 00:06:52,520 but you know I agree with what you said 157 00:06:59,560 --> 00:06:56,600 about Steven Greer and you know a lot of 158 00:07:01,060 --> 00:06:59,570 people think the world of him not anyone 159 00:07:02,830 --> 00:07:01,070 that's anyone that's gonna charge 160 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:02,840 someone fifty dollars to take a picture 161 00:07:11,439 --> 00:07:06,410 of him inside of you invisible UFO I 162 00:07:13,779 --> 00:07:11,449 don't I don't you know I don't buy any I 163 00:07:15,939 --> 00:07:13,789 don't buy the stuff that he does you 164 00:07:17,980 --> 00:07:15,949 know he does he did in the very 165 00:07:20,409 --> 00:07:17,990 beginning he did something absolutely 166 00:07:21,850 --> 00:07:20,419 wonderful and then I just think of like 167 00:07:24,159 --> 00:07:21,860 in your book you said he gave up a half 168 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:24,169 a million dollar a year job you know to 169 00:07:31,270 --> 00:07:29,330 do this so it's a there's not a lot of 170 00:07:32,950 --> 00:07:31,280 people though and I will will tell you 171 00:07:34,719 --> 00:07:32,960 this and you may not even understand 172 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:34,729 this because most people don't but 173 00:07:39,159 --> 00:07:37,250 there's very very few people in the UFO 174 00:07:42,460 --> 00:07:39,169 field ufologist whatever you want to 175 00:07:44,650 --> 00:07:42,470 call them that really make any money you 176 00:07:46,180 --> 00:07:44,660 know for instance Travis Walton you know 177 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:46,190 I had a conversation with him one yeah 178 00:07:49,150 --> 00:07:47,930 he says a lot of times you know he's 179 00:07:51,610 --> 00:07:49,160 retired now a lot of times he'll just 180 00:07:53,020 --> 00:07:51,620 pay his own expenses usually sure you 181 00:07:54,580 --> 00:07:53,030 know they'll get him the hotel room and 182 00:07:57,490 --> 00:07:54,590 that's it well the interesting thing 183 00:07:58,930 --> 00:07:57,500 about that is it seemed to us as we went 184 00:08:00,909 --> 00:07:58,940 down to the Roswell festival last year 185 00:08:03,790 --> 00:08:00,919 the 70th anniversary of the famous 186 00:08:05,379 --> 00:08:03,800 Roswell crash yeah and we saw you know 187 00:08:08,860 --> 00:08:05,389 Linda Moulton Howe and Stanton Friedman 188 00:08:11,409 --> 00:08:08,870 and you know Nick Nick Redford Greg 189 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:11,419 Bishop got a chance to meet him would 190 00:08:15,279 --> 00:08:14,090 like to interview him didn't have the 191 00:08:16,629 --> 00:08:15,289 opportunity while I was there we were 192 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:16,639 busy working in the project that 193 00:08:22,570 --> 00:08:20,330 accompany the book but um Jack Brewer 194 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:22,580 too by the way who whose work I cite in 195 00:08:27,999 --> 00:08:25,250 the book really really found his book 196 00:08:30,460 --> 00:08:28,009 the grace had been framed to be very 197 00:08:32,709 --> 00:08:30,470 very helpful but it seemed to me that a 198 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:32,719 lot of the speakers who go to UFO 199 00:08:38,290 --> 00:08:36,050 conferences are very much like well guys 200 00:08:40,959 --> 00:08:38,300 like me who go around speak at you know 201 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:40,969 Bible prophecy conferences and theology 202 00:08:44,949 --> 00:08:42,770 conferences you do it because you love 203 00:08:47,139 --> 00:08:44,959 it and because you think you've got 204 00:08:49,540 --> 00:08:47,149 something that you hope is important to 205 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:49,550 say and that was the sense I got from 206 00:08:53,620 --> 00:08:51,050 those guys I didn't see any those guys 207 00:08:55,269 --> 00:08:53,630 get rich even the so-called stars in the 208 00:08:56,710 --> 00:08:55,279 field like Stanton treatment and Linda 209 00:08:58,269 --> 00:08:56,720 Moulton Howe they were they were flying 210 00:09:00,340 --> 00:08:58,279 the same flights we were so you know 211 00:09:04,210 --> 00:09:00,350 they did not look like they were there 212 00:09:04,730 --> 00:09:04,220 getting high off the hog by it by 213 00:09:07,310 --> 00:09:04,740 pursuing 214 00:09:09,110 --> 00:09:07,320 his career so I certainly don't to cast 215 00:09:11,269 --> 00:09:09,120 any aspersions on the character of 216 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:11,279 Steven Greer coming back to the question 217 00:09:17,930 --> 00:09:15,330 of the UFO phenomenon as a as an 218 00:09:19,850 --> 00:09:17,940 alternate religion that was really what 219 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:19,860 what triggered the idea for the book 220 00:09:25,699 --> 00:09:21,450 when we were looking at research that 221 00:09:27,650 --> 00:09:25,709 came out last year that and comparing it 222 00:09:29,780 --> 00:09:27,660 with research that came out last year on 223 00:09:31,610 --> 00:09:29,790 what American Christians believe and 224 00:09:32,990 --> 00:09:31,620 then compared that with some surveys 225 00:09:36,139 --> 00:09:33,000 that have been done in recent years by 226 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:36,149 National Geographic Channel on what 227 00:09:40,940 --> 00:09:38,610 people believe about the existence of 228 00:09:42,710 --> 00:09:40,950 extraterrestrial life and we found that 229 00:09:44,090 --> 00:09:42,720 in America and this is according to the 230 00:09:46,310 --> 00:09:44,100 2012 survey by National Geographic 231 00:09:49,460 --> 00:09:46,320 Channel when they were launching their 232 00:09:52,460 --> 00:09:49,470 UFO program that 36 percent of American 233 00:09:55,250 --> 00:09:52,470 adults believe that we're being visited 234 00:09:58,100 --> 00:09:55,260 by extraterrestrials about 70 percent 235 00:10:00,050 --> 00:09:58,110 believe that there's evidence that one 236 00:10:01,370 --> 00:10:00,060 might be being visited but 36 percent 237 00:10:02,510 --> 00:10:01,380 are convinced that we're being visited 238 00:10:04,550 --> 00:10:02,520 by extraterrestrials 239 00:10:07,550 --> 00:10:04,560 but now the Barna Group which is a 240 00:10:10,310 --> 00:10:07,560 survey group that specializes in taking 241 00:10:13,069 --> 00:10:10,320 the theological temperature if you will 242 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:13,079 of American Christians found that in 243 00:10:16,550 --> 00:10:14,610 America today only 10 percent of 244 00:10:20,510 --> 00:10:16,560 American adults have a biblical 245 00:10:21,889 --> 00:10:20,520 worldview now about 70 percent of 246 00:10:24,769 --> 00:10:21,899 American adults or three-quarters 247 00:10:27,050 --> 00:10:24,779 roughly identify as Christians but most 248 00:10:28,370 --> 00:10:27,060 are cultural Christians when Barnett 249 00:10:30,340 --> 00:10:28,380 starts asking questions well do you 250 00:10:34,430 --> 00:10:30,350 agree or disagree with this statement 251 00:10:36,680 --> 00:10:34,440 and then put forth the number of tenants 252 00:10:38,690 --> 00:10:36,690 of the Christian faith for example to 253 00:10:40,699 --> 00:10:38,700 Jesus live a sinless life was he born of 254 00:10:42,949 --> 00:10:40,709 Virgin Satan a literal entity and not 255 00:10:46,910 --> 00:10:42,959 just a concept or force things that 256 00:10:50,060 --> 00:10:46,920 according to the Bible are Christianity 257 00:10:53,630 --> 00:10:50,070 101 and they defined anyone who accepted 258 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:53,640 six core beliefs as having a biblical 259 00:10:58,670 --> 00:10:56,970 worldview so out of the seventy-five 260 00:11:00,290 --> 00:10:58,680 percent of Americans who say they're 261 00:11:01,940 --> 00:11:00,300 Christian only ten percent have a 262 00:11:04,699 --> 00:11:01,950 biblical worldview ten percent of all 263 00:11:06,410 --> 00:11:04,709 American adults but of those who claim 264 00:11:08,900 --> 00:11:06,420 to be evangelical or born-again 265 00:11:11,150 --> 00:11:08,910 Christians only 17 percent have a 266 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:11,160 biblical worldview so we concluded from 267 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:12,930 this that there are more people who 268 00:11:17,420 --> 00:11:13,970 believe we're being visited by 269 00:11:18,639 --> 00:11:17,430 extraterrestrials and who believe in God 270 00:11:21,429 --> 00:11:18,649 as he's defined 271 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:21,439 himself in the Bible and so when 272 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:22,730 Christians asked us and this is 273 00:11:26,139 --> 00:11:24,170 something we get some pushback within 274 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:26,149 the Christian community who say well 275 00:11:29,650 --> 00:11:27,290 you're really wasting your time this is 276 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:29,660 a fringe topic UFOs extraterrestrials 277 00:11:34,869 --> 00:11:31,610 you should be preaching the gospel well 278 00:11:36,309 --> 00:11:34,879 okay we agree as Christians our Michigan 279 00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:36,319 according to Jesus our prime directive 280 00:11:42,009 --> 00:11:39,529 if you will is to make disciples of all 281 00:11:44,439 --> 00:11:42,019 nations but the fact is there are more 282 00:11:47,109 --> 00:11:44,449 people out there who believe in ET then 283 00:11:49,059 --> 00:11:47,119 believe in the words of this this book 284 00:11:52,210 --> 00:11:49,069 this Bible here that you carry around so 285 00:11:55,299 --> 00:11:52,220 you know yeah we and I think when you 286 00:11:57,879 --> 00:11:55,309 start down the path of what the evidence 287 00:12:00,780 --> 00:11:57,889 shows that there's a lot of overlap at 288 00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:00,790 least in terms of the language between 289 00:12:09,009 --> 00:12:05,529 UFO researchers and biblical theology 290 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:09,019 well you know I also will say to you 291 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:13,970 first of all what makes you believe in 292 00:12:17,949 --> 00:12:16,970 the Bible you know I mean it's a good 293 00:12:20,049 --> 00:12:17,959 question 294 00:12:22,030 --> 00:12:20,059 here's another you know another thing I 295 00:12:24,819 --> 00:12:22,040 do remember back in somewhere in the 296 00:12:27,460 --> 00:12:24,829 1990s I happened to be in a dentist 297 00:12:29,799 --> 00:12:27,470 office and I saw a Newsweek and on the 298 00:12:33,699 --> 00:12:29,809 Newsweek it said something along the 299 00:12:37,059 --> 00:12:33,709 lines is that our brains are wired to 300 00:12:38,350 --> 00:12:37,069 our brains are wired to create a God so 301 00:12:41,049 --> 00:12:38,360 if you don't have a god you better 302 00:12:43,629 --> 00:12:41,059 create one and I think you know you look 303 00:12:47,530 --> 00:12:43,639 back you know we say we have a 304 00:12:50,699 --> 00:12:47,540 monotheistic Society when it comes to 305 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:50,709 Christians but you know there how many 306 00:12:58,660 --> 00:12:54,050 of those have there been you know with a 307 00:13:00,040 --> 00:12:58,670 single deity worshipped who knows over 308 00:13:02,860 --> 00:13:00,050 the you know since the beginning of a 309 00:13:06,519 --> 00:13:02,870 time so there's a lot of there's a lot 310 00:13:09,100 --> 00:13:06,529 of similarities but also as far as the 311 00:13:12,369 --> 00:13:09,110 beliefs go I think this is kind of an 312 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:12,379 interesting topic to compare the two you 313 00:13:17,619 --> 00:13:13,970 know why does someone believe in God why 314 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:17,629 does someone believe in in aliens now I 315 00:13:21,819 --> 00:13:19,490 will tell you this you know maybe there 316 00:13:24,100 --> 00:13:21,829 have been things and we can talk about 317 00:13:24,970 --> 00:13:24,110 Fatima because that's an interesting I 318 00:13:27,879 --> 00:13:24,980 don't know if you know anything about 319 00:13:29,710 --> 00:13:27,889 Fatima but friend Eleanor Zhu Li has 320 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:29,720 done a lot of research on Fatima 321 00:13:35,730 --> 00:13:32,170 yeah but then you also hear here 322 00:13:38,310 --> 00:13:35,740 thing I I know what I saw I saw 323 00:13:41,190 --> 00:13:38,320 something over me I had a UFO experience 324 00:13:43,980 --> 00:13:41,200 right and it wasn't something that was 325 00:13:45,690 --> 00:13:43,990 made up in my mind or it was a real 326 00:13:47,879 --> 00:13:45,700 experience and there are so many people 327 00:13:52,079 --> 00:13:47,889 that have had these real experiences now 328 00:13:54,150 --> 00:13:52,089 I'm not saying it was Josh shows my wife 329 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:54,160 yeah yeah so I don't I want to be very 330 00:14:00,420 --> 00:13:57,010 clear that we we we do not deny not not 331 00:14:02,730 --> 00:14:00,430 only to UFO phenomena we are not we 332 00:14:05,550 --> 00:14:02,740 don't deny that there are people who are 333 00:14:07,710 --> 00:14:05,560 being severely traumatized by something 334 00:14:10,019 --> 00:14:07,720 that has been labeled at the alien 335 00:14:11,639 --> 00:14:10,029 abduction phenomenon it's a real 336 00:14:13,439 --> 00:14:11,649 phenomenon okay 337 00:14:15,389 --> 00:14:13,449 both the UFO phenomena and alien 338 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:15,399 abduction put alien in air quotes 339 00:14:19,949 --> 00:14:17,050 because I reserve judgment as to what 340 00:14:23,189 --> 00:14:19,959 those those entities truly are but I've 341 00:14:25,319 --> 00:14:23,199 got ideas based on the evidence but the 342 00:14:29,939 --> 00:14:25,329 point is we do not absolutely do not 343 00:14:31,620 --> 00:14:29,949 deny that something is going on I guess 344 00:14:35,189 --> 00:14:31,630 I didn't get that far enough and far 345 00:14:38,189 --> 00:14:35,199 enough into your book to to hit to read 346 00:14:40,829 --> 00:14:38,199 that part of it no but you know I do 347 00:14:43,189 --> 00:14:40,839 also understand that you know we have a 348 00:14:46,410 --> 00:14:43,199 belief system you know when someone 349 00:14:49,769 --> 00:14:46,420 there's a friend of mine Sam moranto and 350 00:14:51,300 --> 00:14:49,779 he gets really his his feathers get 351 00:14:54,060 --> 00:14:51,310 ruffled when someone says do you believe 352 00:14:55,530 --> 00:14:54,070 in UFOs he says it's not a belief it's 353 00:14:58,319 --> 00:14:55,540 either there you know either they're 354 00:15:00,509 --> 00:14:58,329 here or they're not right so I do 355 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:00,519 understand and and when someone asked me 356 00:15:05,130 --> 00:15:02,890 if I believe in UFOs because of Sam I 357 00:15:07,710 --> 00:15:05,140 always kind of hesitate and it's what it 358 00:15:12,300 --> 00:15:07,720 would what do I you know is it a belief 359 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:12,310 system but so let's talk about some of 360 00:15:17,519 --> 00:15:15,130 the research you did and and do you 361 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:17,529 think do you think there it's like a 362 00:15:22,710 --> 00:15:20,050 cult or what what do you what do you 363 00:15:25,290 --> 00:15:22,720 know no not at all 364 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:25,300 I think what's happening is and this is 365 00:15:31,620 --> 00:15:29,170 really the more an indictment of um well 366 00:15:32,699 --> 00:15:31,630 the church the Christian Church I don't 367 00:15:36,150 --> 00:15:32,709 think the Christian Church has done a 368 00:15:38,759 --> 00:15:36,160 very good job in teaching the reasons 369 00:15:41,189 --> 00:15:38,769 why we should believe that the Bible is 370 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:41,199 true I had to do that on my own I was 371 00:15:44,699 --> 00:15:42,970 brought to church in a week when I was a 372 00:15:45,310 --> 00:15:44,709 kid went through Sunday school with all 373 00:15:47,259 --> 00:15:45,320 the flammable 374 00:15:48,540 --> 00:15:47,269 little pictures of Noah and his animals 375 00:15:50,769 --> 00:15:48,550 going into the ark and all that stuff 376 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:50,779 but as soon as I got into college I quit 377 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:53,810 going and Josh very much the same way 378 00:15:58,389 --> 00:15:55,730 Joshua's he'll tell you he was you know 379 00:16:01,180 --> 00:15:58,399 full-blown New Ager he was practicing 380 00:16:04,210 --> 00:16:01,190 astral projection and doing a lot of 381 00:16:05,559 --> 00:16:04,220 other things that wow yeah will make for 382 00:16:06,579 --> 00:16:05,569 a really good story yeah you're missing 383 00:16:09,249 --> 00:16:06,589 out in some of the really good stuff 384 00:16:16,059 --> 00:16:09,259 because he's been silenced by Russia 385 00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:16,069 tonight who did but so we have different 386 00:16:21,509 --> 00:16:18,529 paths through which we came I I kind of 387 00:16:23,650 --> 00:16:21,519 went back to my I guess my sci-fi 388 00:16:25,449 --> 00:16:23,660 upbringing believing that our Star 389 00:16:29,259 --> 00:16:25,459 troops future was Star Trek you know 390 00:16:32,769 --> 00:16:29,269 that we would overcome the superstition 391 00:16:34,269 --> 00:16:32,779 of religion and that science and 392 00:16:35,050 --> 00:16:34,279 technology can solve all of our problems 393 00:16:37,329 --> 00:16:35,060 in the future 394 00:16:38,829 --> 00:16:37,339 Josh was just again he was just 395 00:16:41,290 --> 00:16:38,839 fascinated with the concept of life in 396 00:16:42,790 --> 00:16:41,300 outer space I love me a good space opera 397 00:16:49,050 --> 00:16:42,800 again especially told from a hard 398 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:49,060 science fiction perspective but when we 399 00:16:54,309 --> 00:16:52,130 start looking at the evidence now as 400 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:54,319 adults and at some point during this 401 00:16:57,639 --> 00:16:55,850 conversation yeah I'd be happy to talk 402 00:16:59,439 --> 00:16:57,649 about Christian apologetics because 403 00:17:01,960 --> 00:16:59,449 that's kind of what led me to all of 404 00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:01,970 this you know the reasons that I can say 405 00:17:06,429 --> 00:17:04,400 that I'm convinced that Jesus of 406 00:17:09,299 --> 00:17:06,439 Nazareth actually lived died and 407 00:17:11,799 --> 00:17:09,309 literally rose from the dead 408 00:17:13,539 --> 00:17:11,809 but again just being open and honest 409 00:17:17,020 --> 00:17:13,549 that's where I'm coming from from my my 410 00:17:19,630 --> 00:17:17,030 starting point in looking at the UFO 411 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:19,640 phenomena and I will grant Martin that 412 00:17:25,919 --> 00:17:22,850 you and and probably every person who is 413 00:17:29,289 --> 00:17:25,929 a real student of the UFO phenomenon is 414 00:17:32,530 --> 00:17:29,299 at least as well-informed on the 415 00:17:34,120 --> 00:17:32,540 research if not better than I am I've 416 00:17:35,830 --> 00:17:34,130 had a passing interest in it kind of 417 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:35,840 kept my eyes on it but when it came down 418 00:17:39,940 --> 00:17:37,730 to research for the book I had to again 419 00:17:43,390 --> 00:17:39,950 really start looking at Maury island and 420 00:17:45,789 --> 00:17:43,400 Kenneth Arnold the the influence of the 421 00:17:48,610 --> 00:17:45,799 intelligence community and joint 422 00:17:55,270 --> 00:17:48,620 security command you know the the the 423 00:18:01,410 --> 00:17:55,280 presence of government agents in every 424 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:03,880 and there there are researchers like 425 00:18:08,260 --> 00:18:06,770 Nick Redfern to whom I will gladly defer 426 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:08,270 who's done a lot more research and heavy 427 00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:11,210 lifting on this again not saying that 428 00:18:16,420 --> 00:18:13,280 those things didn't happen just saying 429 00:18:18,370 --> 00:18:16,430 as somebody who had to look at the Bible 430 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:18,380 with a critical eye say okay let's weigh 431 00:18:21,940 --> 00:18:20,210 the evidence from the eyewitness 432 00:18:23,770 --> 00:18:21,950 testimony to the archeology to the 433 00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:23,780 ancient texts to the history of the 434 00:18:27,610 --> 00:18:26,000 nations around ancient Israel which is 435 00:18:30,070 --> 00:18:27,620 kind of an area I'm specializing in 436 00:18:31,810 --> 00:18:30,080 right now let's apply that same sort of 437 00:18:34,450 --> 00:18:31,820 critical thinking to the modern UFO 438 00:18:37,330 --> 00:18:34,460 phenomena are there other explanations 439 00:18:41,530 --> 00:18:37,340 that may fit the evidence better than 440 00:18:44,190 --> 00:18:41,540 the extra-terrestrial hypothesis again 441 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:44,200 something is going on some of those 442 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:46,970 strange things in the sky may well be 443 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:50,570 government projects that that we just 444 00:18:55,690 --> 00:18:53,690 don't know about yet I would suggest 445 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:55,700 that that's a plausible explanation for 446 00:18:59,800 --> 00:18:56,890 the videos that have been released 447 00:19:01,390 --> 00:18:59,810 through the to the stars Academy of Arts 448 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:01,400 and Sciences here in December and then 449 00:19:06,850 --> 00:19:04,330 again just just this past week the 450 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:06,860 objects caught on the infrared radar 451 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:10,610 cameras of the f-18 pilots there are 452 00:19:16,390 --> 00:19:12,730 some things that are misidentified 453 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:16,400 commercial aircraft or natural phenomena 454 00:19:21,550 --> 00:19:19,010 of the planet Venus to use an old you 455 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:21,560 know cliche but there are some that are 456 00:19:29,380 --> 00:19:25,130 legitimately not explainable by natural 457 00:19:34,060 --> 00:19:29,390 phenomena or misidentified or secret 458 00:19:36,570 --> 00:19:34,070 aircraft those we're really interested 459 00:19:40,540 --> 00:19:36,580 in because there are some that appear to 460 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:40,550 defy the laws of physics but there are 461 00:19:44,980 --> 00:19:43,010 researchers such as Jacques Vallee who 462 00:19:47,590 --> 00:19:44,990 was not approaching this with a 463 00:19:51,820 --> 00:19:47,600 Christian worldview we're and others 464 00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:51,830 such as John keel who concluded that the 465 00:19:56,770 --> 00:19:54,320 extra-dimensional hypothesis or 466 00:19:59,620 --> 00:19:56,780 interdimensional hypothesis is a better 467 00:20:01,990 --> 00:19:59,630 fit for the evidence especially when you 468 00:20:04,090 --> 00:20:02,000 look at the difficulty the technological 469 00:20:07,930 --> 00:20:04,100 scientific challenges in trying to cross 470 00:20:11,710 --> 00:20:07,940 the vast distances between star systems 471 00:20:14,500 --> 00:20:11,720 that it actually seems to make 472 00:20:17,049 --> 00:20:14,510 sense that whatever these things are 473 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:17,059 that are visiting earth they're coming 474 00:20:22,360 --> 00:20:20,210 from outside our three perceivable 475 00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:22,370 dimensions rather than from outside the 476 00:20:27,340 --> 00:20:24,320 solar system and that's kind of the 477 00:20:29,980 --> 00:20:27,350 approach we take on the the UFO 478 00:20:34,539 --> 00:20:29,990 phenomena we also touch on the abduction 479 00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:34,549 phenomenon and again you are looking at 480 00:20:38,649 --> 00:20:36,320 a phenomenon that researchers such as 481 00:20:42,430 --> 00:20:38,659 dr. John Mack the lake psychologist from 482 00:20:45,659 --> 00:20:42,440 Harvard University suggested bore so 483 00:20:48,399 --> 00:20:45,669 many similarities to the accounts of 484 00:20:52,180 --> 00:20:48,409 people who had been subjected to satanic 485 00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:52,190 ritual abuse that it was not 486 00:20:58,720 --> 00:20:55,370 statistically likely that these things 487 00:21:01,200 --> 00:20:58,730 were not somehow interconnected so again 488 00:21:05,470 --> 00:21:01,210 we start looking at the evidence in that 489 00:21:09,100 --> 00:21:05,480 in that way we're seeing that if we're 490 00:21:10,620 --> 00:21:09,110 drawing a Venn diagram of say you know 491 00:21:12,460 --> 00:21:10,630 spiritual encounters and 492 00:21:15,250 --> 00:21:12,470 extraterrestrial encounters is a great 493 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:15,260 deal of overlap there and thus so I 494 00:21:19,779 --> 00:21:17,690 think we as Christians and the UFO 495 00:21:23,649 --> 00:21:19,789 community can have a conversation here 496 00:21:26,140 --> 00:21:23,659 and just kind of compare notes I'm going 497 00:21:29,620 --> 00:21:26,150 back to the video you just mentioned 498 00:21:32,049 --> 00:21:29,630 that just came out a few days ago it was 499 00:21:34,750 --> 00:21:32,059 released through to the Stars 500 00:21:37,539 --> 00:21:34,760 I actually got I'm wonder if I can read 501 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:37,549 that I actually got a note from a 502 00:21:47,020 --> 00:21:42,730 military pilot on that particular video 503 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:47,030 which is kind of surprising he says or 504 00:21:52,810 --> 00:21:49,730 he was saying that this was not a 505 00:21:55,899 --> 00:21:52,820 classified video to begin with and that 506 00:21:58,690 --> 00:21:55,909 it was shown at a briefing that he was 507 00:22:00,669 --> 00:21:58,700 at you know several many years ago I 508 00:22:03,010 --> 00:22:00,679 don't know maybe 10 or something years 509 00:22:05,409 --> 00:22:03,020 ago so he said it was a it was a great 510 00:22:06,850 --> 00:22:05,419 example of a slide and catch or 511 00:22:10,690 --> 00:22:06,860 something like that I can't really pull 512 00:22:12,130 --> 00:22:10,700 it up right now of what he said but he 513 00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:12,140 said the reason he was shown in the 514 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:14,480 briefing was more about capturing it on 515 00:22:20,529 --> 00:22:16,730 a camera than it was about you know what 516 00:22:21,970 --> 00:22:20,539 the object was but they thought you know 517 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:21,980 one time they thought it was some type 518 00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:23,570 of missile but then they just don't know 519 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:25,520 what it is but it's a very clear I'm 520 00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:25,970 sure you 521 00:22:30,220 --> 00:22:28,370 that is a very clear image of some type 522 00:22:33,970 --> 00:22:30,230 of object it's moving very fast above 523 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:33,980 the same speed as the the f-18 itself 524 00:22:38,380 --> 00:22:36,290 but you know I wrote an article about 525 00:22:40,660 --> 00:22:38,390 the the previous release the article 526 00:22:41,650 --> 00:22:40,670 that was released there the video that 527 00:22:44,190 --> 00:22:41,660 was released along with the New York 528 00:22:45,820 --> 00:22:44,200 Times article back in mid-december which 529 00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:45,830 we couldn't have asked for better 530 00:22:49,290 --> 00:22:47,360 marketing because that video came out 531 00:22:51,550 --> 00:22:49,300 like a week after her book came out so 532 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:51,560 perfect timing 533 00:22:57,580 --> 00:22:54,290 but the story about that what's being 534 00:23:01,420 --> 00:22:57,590 called the the USS nimitz UFO incident 535 00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:01,430 from back in 2004 you you know again 536 00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:02,720 that's a classic example of something 537 00:23:06,340 --> 00:23:04,400 that you cannot deny i mean there's 538 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:06,350 something that was seen and you're 539 00:23:09,820 --> 00:23:08,090 talking about military pilots guys who 540 00:23:13,810 --> 00:23:09,830 don't stand to gain anything by making 541 00:23:15,700 --> 00:23:13,820 stuff up one Marine Corps pilot a number 542 00:23:17,890 --> 00:23:15,710 of native Navy pilots plus the radar 543 00:23:23,710 --> 00:23:17,900 operators in the USS Lexington I believe 544 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:23,720 was so a a number of trained observers 545 00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:25,850 spotted this thing the thing I thought 546 00:23:29,500 --> 00:23:26,960 was really bizarre was that the first 547 00:23:32,350 --> 00:23:29,510 pilot on the scene saw this whatever it 548 00:23:34,780 --> 00:23:32,360 was hovering over the the ocean and 549 00:23:37,870 --> 00:23:34,790 found that there was a an area about a 550 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:37,880 hundred meters across that water was 551 00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:39,410 apparently breaking over the top of it 552 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:40,880 like something really big was just 553 00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:42,530 submerged in fact the first pilot on the 554 00:23:46,210 --> 00:23:43,760 scene 555 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:46,220 commander frayberg I believe was a 556 00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:50,090 freighter was his name yeah thought that 557 00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:52,880 he had arrived at the site of a the 558 00:23:57,700 --> 00:23:56,000 crash of a commercial jetliner so you 559 00:23:59,620 --> 00:23:57,710 know something was under though and you 560 00:24:01,630 --> 00:23:59,630 don't hear it much talk about that I'm 561 00:24:02,770 --> 00:24:01,640 really curious of what exactly was under 562 00:24:05,230 --> 00:24:02,780 the water that this thing was hovering 563 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:05,240 over but anyway as he began to descend 564 00:24:10,180 --> 00:24:07,730 and began to pursue the thing it took 565 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:10,190 off in at a speed that his f-18 couldn't 566 00:24:15,970 --> 00:24:13,250 match and then the the radar guys back 567 00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:15,980 at the the USS Lexington that Lexington 568 00:24:21,310 --> 00:24:20,720 Princeton the Princeton said it's at the 569 00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:21,320 rally point 570 00:24:27,220 --> 00:24:24,320 that when you do the math and how 571 00:24:28,570 --> 00:24:27,230 quickly it got there the thing was 572 00:24:31,060 --> 00:24:28,580 traveling in excess of thirty six 573 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:31,070 hundred miles an hour which is like 574 00:24:34,750 --> 00:24:32,810 twice the speed of the f-18 half again 575 00:24:37,270 --> 00:24:34,760 as fast as the sr-71 Blackbird which is 576 00:24:39,710 --> 00:24:37,280 the fastest at that we know of 577 00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:39,720 fastest man-made aircraft on the planet 578 00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:42,960 um but the thing it and I was really 579 00:24:46,250 --> 00:24:45,120 curious that the second flight of f-18s 580 00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,260 that came out there they're the ones who 581 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:48,720 caught it on their infrared radar 582 00:24:55,549 --> 00:24:51,450 it wasn't outgassing anything hot so it 583 00:24:58,580 --> 00:24:55,559 was not burning a fuel for propulsion of 584 00:25:03,590 --> 00:24:58,590 any sort so what was it we don't know 585 00:25:05,090 --> 00:25:03,600 but that doesn't necessarily mean which 586 00:25:08,029 --> 00:25:05,100 is the idea that's been put forward by 587 00:25:09,289 --> 00:25:08,039 mr. Elizondo from to Stars Academy and 588 00:25:10,940 --> 00:25:09,299 obviously Christopher melanin out there 589 00:25:13,700 --> 00:25:10,950 who's talking about the most recent 590 00:25:16,580 --> 00:25:13,710 video it doesn't necessarily mean that 591 00:25:21,409 --> 00:25:16,590 these objects came from outside the 592 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:21,419 solar system it may well be that it was 593 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:23,370 a government project whether United 594 00:25:28,210 --> 00:25:25,490 States government russian-chinese 595 00:25:31,549 --> 00:25:28,220 something that moves at in excess of 596 00:25:32,659 --> 00:25:31,559 3,600 miles per hour maybe a something 597 00:25:35,299 --> 00:25:32,669 we might want China and Russia don't 598 00:25:38,930 --> 00:25:35,309 know about yet well I don't I still have 599 00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:38,940 an argument cases okay go ahead well my 600 00:25:43,940 --> 00:25:41,520 argument is very simple as this is not 601 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:43,950 the first time that they've seen 602 00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:47,250 something race away a speed and there 603 00:25:52,490 --> 00:25:49,710 has been speeds clocked up to 20,000 604 00:25:55,060 --> 00:25:52,500 miles an hour right that and we were 605 00:25:58,880 --> 00:25:55,070 talking to you know 30 40 years ago so 606 00:26:00,110 --> 00:25:58,890 another thing is and right Kenneth 607 00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:00,120 Arnold's yeah there's the sighting that 608 00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:01,710 Kenneth Arnold had back in the nineteen 609 00:26:07,220 --> 00:26:03,840 forty-seven was it's some ludicrous 610 00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:07,230 speed so yeah my point is that that 611 00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:08,880 there's there's a tendency though on the 612 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:10,320 part of some observers to look at 613 00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:11,370 something like this and say we don't 614 00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:14,159 know what it what it is there for aliens 615 00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:16,640 and that's not necessarily the case 616 00:26:27,710 --> 00:26:25,220 no you know the other thing I will tell 617 00:26:29,870 --> 00:26:27,720 you is there's never there's never been 618 00:26:32,299 --> 00:26:29,880 a report that I'm familiar with at this 619 00:26:34,279 --> 00:26:32,309 point where there's been the sound 620 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:34,289 barrier broken no matter what speed the 621 00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,450 thing took off and it's another mural 622 00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:38,880 real mystery it doesn't make any sense 623 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:41,370 there's and a lot of times you know the 624 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:43,530 thing that I saw had absolutely no sound 625 00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:45,330 and that was the most that was almost 626 00:26:49,389 --> 00:26:47,130 the most terrifying if there was 627 00:26:53,629 --> 00:26:49,399 anything terrifying at all that was more 628 00:26:55,459 --> 00:26:53,639 that bothered me or sad in my mind more 629 00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:55,469 anything else so when these things are 630 00:27:00,560 --> 00:26:59,279 moving without making any noise you know 631 00:27:03,529 --> 00:27:00,570 it really is bizarre 632 00:27:05,810 --> 00:27:03,539 now again you mentioned the possibility 633 00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:05,820 of another dimension or something like 634 00:27:08,869 --> 00:27:08,159 that and I never ruled that out along 635 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:08,879 with them 636 00:27:14,889 --> 00:27:12,690 I never rule out aliens either but I do 637 00:27:18,289 --> 00:27:14,899 want to say that you know perhaps 638 00:27:21,310 --> 00:27:18,299 there's just something in physics that 639 00:27:25,399 --> 00:27:21,320 they've figured out how to travel time 640 00:27:29,529 --> 00:27:25,409 that you know doesn't involve anything 641 00:27:31,569 --> 00:27:29,539 that we know of today for is necessarily 642 00:27:36,019 --> 00:27:31,579 right and you know I do want to mention 643 00:27:40,099 --> 00:27:36,029 poor Stephen Hawking passed away I just 644 00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:40,109 wanted to mention that and just you know 645 00:27:45,739 --> 00:27:42,329 he will be missed very deeply in the 646 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:45,749 scientific community he did not have too 647 00:27:52,609 --> 00:27:47,369 many nice things to say about people 648 00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:52,619 that saw UFOs but oh yeah other than 649 00:27:57,709 --> 00:27:55,919 that he was a good man and I think he 650 00:28:00,739 --> 00:27:57,719 did he did a lot of really spectacular 651 00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:00,749 things so a lot of a lot of 652 00:28:07,609 --> 00:28:03,089 controversial and interesting thoughts 653 00:28:09,529 --> 00:28:07,619 that man had yeah yeah so well again the 654 00:28:10,940 --> 00:28:09,539 the existence of extraterrestrials is 655 00:28:15,649 --> 00:28:10,950 not something we rule out now for the 656 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:15,659 record we don't believe that that there 657 00:28:20,180 --> 00:28:18,570 is concrete evidence that earth has been 658 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:20,190 visited by an extraterrestrial 659 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:23,129 intelligence but like I said one of the 660 00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:24,570 things we wanted to address in the book 661 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:29,279 is that if that proves to be incorrect 662 00:28:37,819 --> 00:28:33,450 and you know Klaatu stands out on the 663 00:28:40,399 --> 00:28:37,829 White House lawn with Gort hopefully we 664 00:28:43,759 --> 00:28:40,409 can all get along and it comes down to 665 00:28:45,499 --> 00:28:43,769 this because it comes down to the the 666 00:28:49,789 --> 00:28:45,509 definition of what it means to be 667 00:28:52,099 --> 00:28:49,799 created in God's image it's a problem 668 00:28:54,139 --> 00:28:52,109 with translating Hebrew into English 669 00:28:57,229 --> 00:28:54,149 English is not as new monster language 670 00:28:59,690 --> 00:28:57,239 is Hebrew when it says God said let us 671 00:29:02,779 --> 00:28:59,700 create man in our image 672 00:29:04,579 --> 00:29:02,789 it doesn't mean mankind looks like God 673 00:29:06,199 --> 00:29:04,589 that God is a biped that stands between 674 00:29:07,220 --> 00:29:06,209 five and a half and six feet tall or 675 00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:07,230 whatever 676 00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:11,039 what it means in the Hebrew the sense we 677 00:29:17,479 --> 00:29:13,289 get is that we are God's image bearers 678 00:29:19,999 --> 00:29:17,489 we are his moral agents on earth that's 679 00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:20,009 the role that humans have been created 680 00:29:24,919 --> 00:29:23,369 to fill and that applies to all of us 681 00:29:28,669 --> 00:29:24,929 regardless of how old we are 682 00:29:33,609 --> 00:29:28,679 how well-developed we are our lack or 683 00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:33,619 gift of cognitive abilities any 684 00:29:39,019 --> 00:29:36,480 disabilities or special abilities that 685 00:29:41,989 --> 00:29:39,029 we might have it applies to us merely 686 00:29:44,539 --> 00:29:41,999 because we are human all of us are 687 00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:44,549 created as God's image bearers now some 688 00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:47,279 of us you know that out better than 689 00:29:54,259 --> 00:29:50,399 others but it doesn't change depending 690 00:29:56,570 --> 00:29:54,269 on again you know how well educated we 691 00:29:58,940 --> 00:29:56,580 are how rich we are whatever all of us 692 00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,950 on earth are created in God's image in 693 00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:00,720 that respect and the landing on the 694 00:30:04,999 --> 00:30:02,399 White House lawn the sudden appearance 695 00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:05,009 of an actual extraterrestrial you know 696 00:30:09,859 --> 00:30:06,840 in front of the United Nations would not 697 00:30:11,779 --> 00:30:09,869 change that status so as a Christian if 698 00:30:14,090 --> 00:30:11,789 an actual et were to land on the White 699 00:30:16,129 --> 00:30:14,100 House lawn I would not throw out my 700 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:16,139 Bible and say okay well I guess this was 701 00:30:21,529 --> 00:30:18,330 just a bunch of lies no say hey cool 702 00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:21,539 God's creation is even more amazing and 703 00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:24,720 convoluted than I thought it was you 704 00:30:28,999 --> 00:30:25,769 know one of the things I was gonna ask 705 00:30:31,930 --> 00:30:29,009 you is you know how does the Christian 706 00:30:34,639 --> 00:30:31,940 faith line up with the possibility of 707 00:30:38,810 --> 00:30:34,649 being visited you you kind of answered 708 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:38,820 that but another thing is some you know 709 00:30:45,139 --> 00:30:41,450 I think it's if you went back in time 710 00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:45,149 say a hundred years or 200 years or 711 00:30:48,859 --> 00:30:47,039 something like that I don't think there 712 00:30:50,629 --> 00:30:48,869 would be any openness at all just 713 00:30:53,090 --> 00:30:50,639 something about I don't think they would 714 00:30:57,529 --> 00:30:53,100 be comprehend a bowl and there I don't 715 00:30:57,739 --> 00:30:57,539 think well I don't think did you go 716 00:30:59,779 --> 00:30:57,749 ahead 717 00:31:03,109 --> 00:30:59,789 that's is one of the things we went into 718 00:31:06,409 --> 00:31:03,119 in the book because in contrary to what 719 00:31:08,090 --> 00:31:06,419 most people think the possibility of 720 00:31:09,710 --> 00:31:08,100 life in outer space the life on other 721 00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:09,720 planets is actually something that 722 00:31:13,159 --> 00:31:11,279 Christian theologians have done a lot of 723 00:31:16,749 --> 00:31:13,169 thinking about over the centuries it's 724 00:31:18,769 --> 00:31:16,759 only been the last hundred years or so 725 00:31:20,150 --> 00:31:18,779 that Christians have kind of shut down 726 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:20,160 that the 727 00:31:24,770 --> 00:31:22,290 in part because I think a lot of Roman 728 00:31:27,530 --> 00:31:24,780 Catholic theologians over the centuries 729 00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:27,540 and said well you know we can't rule out 730 00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:30,240 that God might have created other worlds 731 00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:32,310 I mean because to say that he didn't do 732 00:31:36,170 --> 00:31:34,380 it or couldn't do it he's putting a 733 00:31:37,790 --> 00:31:36,180 limit on God and that's that's not 734 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:37,800 allowable 735 00:31:42,650 --> 00:31:41,450 so no actually history you find that 736 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:42,660 yeah 737 00:31:45,980 --> 00:31:44,370 Christian's going back centuries 738 00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,990 hundreds and hundreds of years were 739 00:31:52,340 --> 00:31:47,760 actually considering the possibility of 740 00:31:54,970 --> 00:31:52,350 other planets and other occupied planets 741 00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:54,980 now when you just said a minute ago that 742 00:32:01,640 --> 00:31:58,050 you know man was created in God's image 743 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:01,650 or however that is termed is this your 744 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:04,770 own interpretation of you saying this to 745 00:32:10,340 --> 00:32:07,770 make it fit or Murray or where are you 746 00:32:12,380 --> 00:32:10,350 getting that information from Hebrew 747 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:12,390 scholar by the name dr. Michael Heizer 748 00:32:16,340 --> 00:32:14,250 he's the scholar and residence for Logos 749 00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:16,350 Bible Software and he's also a respected 750 00:32:23,690 --> 00:32:19,320 ufologist he has looked at that and that 751 00:32:27,460 --> 00:32:23,700 is not a let's say it's not a fringe 752 00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:27,470 interpretation of that verse in Genesis 753 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:29,640 again when you dig into the Hebrew and 754 00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:32,250 understand what that means it is a it's 755 00:32:38,330 --> 00:32:35,360 a little more nuanced than created in 756 00:32:41,180 --> 00:32:38,340 God's image it's again this is why I say 757 00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,190 that we the Christian church have not 758 00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:43,440 done really an adequate job of educating 759 00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:46,080 people who call themselves Christians as 760 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:49,710 to what the Bible says and why we should 761 00:32:58,580 --> 00:32:55,530 leave it's true so what do you think in 762 00:33:02,710 --> 00:32:58,590 your mind like the extraterrestrial 763 00:33:05,270 --> 00:33:02,720 intelligences as you call them out there 764 00:33:08,810 --> 00:33:05,280 we we are not having a very good track 765 00:33:12,860 --> 00:33:08,820 record as far as the way we treat each 766 00:33:18,620 --> 00:33:12,870 other the way we kill each other the way 767 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:18,630 there's Wars and all that now so far as 768 00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:20,850 we know whatever it is that's visiting 769 00:33:25,130 --> 00:33:23,760 us hasn't really interfered or you know 770 00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:25,140 there's a couple of cases where there 771 00:33:29,270 --> 00:33:26,910 was a possibility that there was some 772 00:33:32,030 --> 00:33:29,280 type of you know a shoot down or 773 00:33:33,570 --> 00:33:32,040 something of an aircraft or whatever one 774 00:33:37,950 --> 00:33:33,580 in Australia and there's one 775 00:33:42,660 --> 00:33:37,960 somewhere in the mid States but as far 776 00:33:45,150 --> 00:33:42,670 as we know we may be you know it may not 777 00:33:47,580 --> 00:33:45,160 be other creations that are violent like 778 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:47,590 we are I mean do you ever think about 779 00:33:52,260 --> 00:33:49,450 that I mean we're not we don't have a 780 00:33:53,820 --> 00:33:52,270 very good track record no that's true we 781 00:33:55,260 --> 00:33:53,830 don't and in fact that's entirely 782 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:55,270 consistent I'll just point out that's 783 00:33:58,890 --> 00:33:56,650 entirely consistent with a Christian 784 00:34:00,450 --> 00:33:58,900 worldview that says you know we say we 785 00:34:02,730 --> 00:34:00,460 have no sin we deceive ourselves and the 786 00:34:06,030 --> 00:34:02,740 truth is not in us the heart is you know 787 00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:06,040 inherently wicked but I think Stephen 788 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:07,360 Hawking might have been onto something 789 00:34:12,210 --> 00:34:10,570 here where he said you know the just 790 00:34:13,890 --> 00:34:12,220 looking at the history of the world when 791 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:13,900 a more advanced civilization comes 792 00:34:17,910 --> 00:34:16,090 across a less advanced civilization 793 00:34:19,710 --> 00:34:17,920 usually doesn't work out well for the 794 00:34:23,490 --> 00:34:19,720 less advanced civilizations so he was 795 00:34:25,590 --> 00:34:23,500 not really looking forward the 796 00:34:27,930 --> 00:34:25,600 possibility of encountering a more 797 00:34:33,540 --> 00:34:27,940 advanced civilization from outside the 798 00:34:35,550 --> 00:34:33,550 the solar system I argue it with that 799 00:34:37,710 --> 00:34:35,560 because that's human nature we don't 800 00:34:40,530 --> 00:34:37,720 know the nature of one another 801 00:34:43,140 --> 00:34:40,540 intelligence is and it all boils down to 802 00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:43,150 how it's how it evolved you know really 803 00:34:48,860 --> 00:34:46,480 how it survived whatever - you know 804 00:34:52,380 --> 00:34:48,870 evolved into what it has evolved into 805 00:34:56,340 --> 00:34:52,390 the natural instincts to become tribal 806 00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:56,350 or hunt and whatever you know have 807 00:35:01,110 --> 00:34:58,240 turned now into you know violence 808 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:01,120 against each other you know who knows if 809 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:02,530 they even think in those terms 810 00:35:09,380 --> 00:35:05,050 now we don't because they may be so 811 00:35:11,550 --> 00:35:09,390 alien to us that we can't even imagine 812 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:11,560 what their thought processes are I mean 813 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:13,450 they may take no more notice of us than 814 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:16,090 we take of the ants on the sidewalk on 815 00:35:21,090 --> 00:35:17,770 the other hand they might be entirely 816 00:35:24,810 --> 00:35:21,100 benevolent I don't know personally 817 00:35:27,630 --> 00:35:24,820 speaking I don't think I don't think 818 00:35:29,730 --> 00:35:27,640 there is other life out there at least 819 00:35:32,190 --> 00:35:29,740 not that is contacting us directly I 820 00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:32,200 think and again this is not a 821 00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:34,720 theological Hill that I'm gonna die on 822 00:35:38,730 --> 00:35:36,160 which is why we address the issue of 823 00:35:39,810 --> 00:35:38,740 what it means to be created in God's 824 00:35:44,330 --> 00:35:39,820 image because we think that's an 825 00:35:46,350 --> 00:35:44,340 important point one that is a a 826 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:46,360 stumbling block 827 00:35:49,590 --> 00:35:47,530 to Christians when they start looking 828 00:35:50,730 --> 00:35:49,600 into the UFO phenomena what happens if 829 00:35:52,110 --> 00:35:50,740 there is other does that mean that 830 00:35:53,660 --> 00:35:52,120 they're creating God's image too and 831 00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:53,670 what Jesus have to die for them as well 832 00:36:04,620 --> 00:36:01,200 no but it is a I I don't think that 833 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:04,630 something that big would have been left 834 00:36:09,710 --> 00:36:07,930 out of God's Word in other words if 835 00:36:13,250 --> 00:36:09,720 there was a possibility that 836 00:36:15,390 --> 00:36:13,260 zeta-reticulans were going to land and 837 00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:15,400 begin communications with us that's 838 00:36:17,340 --> 00:36:16,960 probably something God would have told 839 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:17,350 us 840 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:19,570 but again that's speculation on my part 841 00:36:26,940 --> 00:36:24,930 I don't have a enough information 842 00:36:29,610 --> 00:36:26,950 biblical or otherwise to make that a 843 00:36:32,850 --> 00:36:29,620 theological hill on which I'm going to 844 00:36:35,070 --> 00:36:32,860 you know defend to the death a friend of 845 00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:35,080 ours has a belief that he calls the 846 00:36:39,660 --> 00:36:38,110 doctrine of stated intent in which he 847 00:36:42,690 --> 00:36:39,670 points to the fact that in the Bible God 848 00:36:44,940 --> 00:36:42,700 said he created the stars in the sky to 849 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:44,950 mark the the times and the seasons and 850 00:36:50,370 --> 00:36:47,410 so that's their stated intent he did not 851 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:50,380 say that I put these stars in the sky to 852 00:36:53,850 --> 00:36:52,330 host inhabited planets with 853 00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:53,860 civilizations that might someday visit 854 00:36:58,890 --> 00:36:57,250 you okay I can I can see where he's 855 00:37:02,820 --> 00:36:58,900 getting at he's supporting it with with 856 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:02,830 the evidence but again one way or the 857 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:06,010 other whether we are alone in the 858 00:37:11,940 --> 00:37:09,610 universe or whether some day an advanced 859 00:37:13,860 --> 00:37:11,950 civilization makes contact with us it 860 00:37:17,940 --> 00:37:13,870 does not change our status as God's 861 00:37:19,170 --> 00:37:17,950 image bearers on planet Earth and so one 862 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:19,180 way or the other I'm secure in my 863 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:24,130 Christian faith well alright someone 864 00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:26,890 just asked in the chat room they said 865 00:37:32,610 --> 00:37:29,680 I'm confused does he believe in ETS or 866 00:37:34,890 --> 00:37:32,620 not so I'm thinking that okay let me 867 00:37:37,950 --> 00:37:34,900 give you a one-word answer no hey you 868 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:37,960 don't and don't you don't you think 869 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:39,370 that's a little bit and I'm not saying 870 00:37:43,590 --> 00:37:41,410 that you are arrogant but don't you 871 00:37:45,540 --> 00:37:43,600 think that's a little bit arrogant well 872 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:45,550 no I mean we have to bring it reach it a 873 00:37:49,650 --> 00:37:47,170 conclusion one way or the other I mean I 874 00:37:51,810 --> 00:37:49,660 could say I don't know for sure but I 875 00:37:55,170 --> 00:37:51,820 don't believe that there are now like I 876 00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:55,180 said I'm not if I'm proven wrong it's 877 00:37:59,520 --> 00:37:58,240 not gonna crush my worldview okay I've 878 00:38:00,370 --> 00:37:59,530 been hoping wrong about lots of things 879 00:38:03,890 --> 00:38:00,380 in my life 880 00:38:05,660 --> 00:38:03,900 all right now Chicago Cubs fan since I 881 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:05,670 was 6 years old i only got write to one 882 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:10,770 time back in 2016 so let me ask you 883 00:38:17,060 --> 00:38:14,130 something do you about the view your 884 00:38:22,070 --> 00:38:17,070 views of God I guess do you think first 885 00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:22,080 of all God always was yes and so there 886 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:23,880 was never a beginning he just always was 887 00:38:30,860 --> 00:38:27,810 now now I'm gonna say something my son a 888 00:38:34,220 --> 00:38:30,870 little silly but okay if that's the case 889 00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:34,230 then why did he wait for till only 14 890 00:38:39,890 --> 00:38:37,250 billion years ago to start the universe 891 00:38:42,260 --> 00:38:39,900 he always was what was he doing all that 892 00:38:45,830 --> 00:38:42,270 time well that's what I'm gonna take the 893 00:38:47,420 --> 00:38:45,840 I don't know if I could know the mind of 894 00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,430 God if I could understand the mind of 895 00:38:50,780 --> 00:38:49,440 God God would be this small where he 896 00:38:53,090 --> 00:38:50,790 could fit inside this head here maybe a 897 00:38:58,700 --> 00:38:53,100 pretty small God you know that's that's 898 00:39:00,200 --> 00:38:58,710 that's a cop-out I guess sure yeah and 899 00:39:01,940 --> 00:39:00,210 I'm not here so I can't answer that 900 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:01,950 question I've seen I've seen a few 901 00:39:09,770 --> 00:39:06,330 different debates with hitch Hitchens 902 00:39:14,570 --> 00:39:09,780 and and and I've seen kind of you know 903 00:39:16,850 --> 00:39:14,580 that that you know I'm I've seen that 904 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:16,860 that cop-out I don't know you know I 905 00:39:23,060 --> 00:39:19,050 mean that's that's better than making 906 00:39:25,090 --> 00:39:23,070 something up yes that there's plenty of 907 00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:25,100 things we can certainly say that about 908 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:28,730 and that that's exactly what I say about 909 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:31,770 whether I think there you at UFOs have 910 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:34,410 ETS in them or not I don't know you know 911 00:39:39,380 --> 00:39:36,530 so I guess I'm kind of along the same 912 00:39:40,700 --> 00:39:39,390 I'll take the fifth as well well you 913 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:40,710 know some might think it's a cop but I 914 00:39:44,780 --> 00:39:42,570 just think it's being honest I I have no 915 00:39:47,540 --> 00:39:44,790 idea I don't know I don't know that the 916 00:39:50,510 --> 00:39:47,550 universe is 14 billion years old yeah 917 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:50,520 you know I I'm not really sure about the 918 00:39:55,340 --> 00:39:52,890 Big Bang if that's you know I think it's 919 00:39:58,370 --> 00:39:55,350 very possible that someday you know and 920 00:40:01,010 --> 00:39:58,380 there's so many things that do point to 921 00:40:02,990 --> 00:40:01,020 it but someday they may uncover 922 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:03,000 something oh so this is what happened I 923 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:04,410 mean how many times does that happened 924 00:40:10,220 --> 00:40:06,810 in science as we went along you know you 925 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:10,230 think about the church going back to the 926 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:13,290 church having Galileo you know an under 927 00:40:16,310 --> 00:40:13,690 house 928 00:40:19,290 --> 00:40:16,320 arrests for taking Kapernick 929 00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:19,300 Copernicus's view that the the earth 930 00:40:24,030 --> 00:40:22,000 went around the Sun you know there's 931 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:24,040 there's a lot of things in religion that 932 00:40:28,140 --> 00:40:26,050 have stifled science you know real 933 00:40:29,610 --> 00:40:28,150 science well I think there was more 934 00:40:31,770 --> 00:40:29,620 going on there with Galileo than just 935 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:31,780 his view of astrophysics I think there 936 00:40:35,070 --> 00:40:32,890 were some things that he had been saying 937 00:40:37,610 --> 00:40:35,080 that the church took issue with in terms 938 00:40:41,570 --> 00:40:37,620 of theology it wasn't just the science 939 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:41,580 and with those things be acceptable in 940 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:43,930 today's world the things that he were 941 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:46,170 saying I mean can we give an example 942 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:48,730 this is not an area of my study but I 943 00:40:52,380 --> 00:40:50,890 will say this the Roman Catholic Church 944 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:52,390 sure shows a lot of interest in what 945 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:54,970 might be coming from out there in fact 946 00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:56,410 they've been talking openly about their 947 00:41:01,440 --> 00:40:58,240 willingness to baptize their space 948 00:41:03,060 --> 00:41:01,450 brothers and even go so far as to talk 949 00:41:04,830 --> 00:41:03,070 theology with them because as if an 950 00:41:07,020 --> 00:41:04,840 advanced civilization comes to earth 951 00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:07,030 from somewhere out there they may have a 952 00:41:11,610 --> 00:41:09,250 more developed theology that might 953 00:41:14,460 --> 00:41:11,620 require some recalibration on their part 954 00:41:19,850 --> 00:41:14,470 as far as Christian doctrine like mmm 955 00:41:23,580 --> 00:41:19,860 okay I can't go there again I think that 956 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:23,590 the eyewitness testimony of the ministry 957 00:41:27,090 --> 00:41:25,330 life death resurrection of Jesus of 958 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:27,100 Nazareth that that to me is the anchor 959 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:29,770 point for you know all of the stuff in 960 00:41:35,940 --> 00:41:31,650 the Old Testament that he validated as 961 00:41:37,950 --> 00:41:35,950 history and again just my own research 962 00:41:39,630 --> 00:41:37,960 into what the neighbors of the ancient 963 00:41:42,180 --> 00:41:39,640 Israelites believe the pagan nations 964 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:42,190 around there supports some things in the 965 00:41:47,460 --> 00:41:43,570 Bible that otherwise doesn't make any 966 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:47,470 sense but that's that I could do two 967 00:41:52,380 --> 00:41:49,090 hours just on that topic alone so rather 968 00:41:54,060 --> 00:41:52,390 than go down the rabbit trail the Roman 969 00:41:57,390 --> 00:41:54,070 Catholic Church is a lot more open to 970 00:42:00,000 --> 00:41:57,400 things today then they probably were in 971 00:42:01,770 --> 00:42:00,010 Galileo's day theologically speaking 972 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:01,780 they're open more open now than they 973 00:42:07,410 --> 00:42:03,130 were probably fifty years ago when the 974 00:42:10,410 --> 00:42:07,420 teachings of say the Jesuit priests PRT 975 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:10,420 are de Chardin who was the character he 976 00:42:13,740 --> 00:42:12,130 was the guy on which they based the 977 00:42:15,540 --> 00:42:13,750 character father Lancaster Merrin and 978 00:42:18,210 --> 00:42:15,550 the Exorcist you know the guy who 979 00:42:20,940 --> 00:42:18,220 discovers that you know little statue of 980 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:20,950 the demon Pazuzu in Iraq and then it 981 00:42:25,290 --> 00:42:23,410 winds up traveling to Washington DC 982 00:42:27,569 --> 00:42:25,300 which explains a lot about our political 983 00:42:31,150 --> 00:42:27,579 system I think but 984 00:42:34,029 --> 00:42:31,160 he believed that the universe and that 985 00:42:38,109 --> 00:42:34,039 all of creation was getting more and 986 00:42:40,089 --> 00:42:38,119 more sentient he was credited with 987 00:42:42,849 --> 00:42:40,099 coining the term the social network and 988 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:42,859 that there was the the geosphere the 989 00:42:48,549 --> 00:42:44,930 biosphere and then the noosphere which 990 00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:48,559 is a network of human interaction human 991 00:42:55,839 --> 00:42:52,910 knowledge that was ever growing and that 992 00:42:57,429 --> 00:42:55,849 someday as we developed and grew in love 993 00:42:59,650 --> 00:42:57,439 and knowledge we would all come together 994 00:43:02,589 --> 00:42:59,660 in what he called the omega point and 995 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:02,599 become one with the cosmos and one with 996 00:43:06,579 --> 00:43:03,249 the Creator 997 00:43:09,819 --> 00:43:06,589 that's very Eastern that's not Orthodox 998 00:43:13,269 --> 00:43:09,829 Christianity and a lot of his writings 999 00:43:15,099 --> 00:43:13,279 were restricted the distribution of his 1000 00:43:18,189 --> 00:43:15,109 writings work was restricted by the bat 1001 00:43:21,819 --> 00:43:18,199 I can back in the early 60s but just 1002 00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:21,829 recently a group of Vatican's are rather 1003 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:23,569 Jesuit scientists because all the 1004 00:43:31,749 --> 00:43:27,130 Jesuits are well scientists by training 1005 00:43:34,269 --> 00:43:31,759 sent a letter to Pope Francis asking him 1006 00:43:37,959 --> 00:43:34,279 to essentially remove the warning labels 1007 00:43:41,189 --> 00:43:37,969 from payard's writings and essentially 1008 00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:41,199 when you take what T are taught from a 1009 00:43:47,709 --> 00:43:45,920 Jesuit perspective and move it in the 1010 00:43:51,279 --> 00:43:47,719 Silicon Valley you essentially have the 1011 00:43:53,140 --> 00:43:51,289 singularitarians movement and you've got 1012 00:43:56,319 --> 00:43:53,150 the instead of the Omega Point you've 1013 00:43:59,469 --> 00:43:56,329 got the singularity of dr. Raymond 1014 00:44:01,949 --> 00:43:59,479 Kurzweil so you know that there there's 1015 00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:01,959 there's a lot more overlap between 1016 00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:05,089 theology and science and then most 1017 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:08,209 people would like to think and again 1018 00:44:12,099 --> 00:44:10,130 coming back to the UFO phenomena and a 1019 00:44:13,479 --> 00:44:12,109 lot of people and again I certainly 1020 00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:13,489 don't want to accuse anyone who's 1021 00:44:20,049 --> 00:44:17,119 interested in the subject of being in a 1022 00:44:23,140 --> 00:44:20,059 cult and certainly not all researchers 1023 00:44:26,199 --> 00:44:23,150 are looking at the phenomenon for the 1024 00:44:28,449 --> 00:44:26,209 big answers of life our answers to the 1025 00:44:31,959 --> 00:44:28,459 big questions of life which are where do 1026 00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:31,969 we come from why are we here and what 1027 00:44:37,689 --> 00:44:35,209 happens to us when we die but there are 1028 00:44:39,219 --> 00:44:37,699 a lot of people who do and you know God 1029 00:44:40,839 --> 00:44:39,229 loved him I believe he's sincere but 1030 00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:40,849 Steven Greer dr. Steven Greer is one of 1031 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:41,839 those fellows 1032 00:44:50,539 --> 00:44:48,210 dr. Edgar Mitchell was another right now 1033 00:44:53,029 --> 00:44:50,549 we may we may take some calls is that 1034 00:44:55,940 --> 00:44:53,039 okay if we take the phone caller - okay 1035 00:44:58,190 --> 00:44:55,950 so any so the number is up on the screen 1036 00:45:00,890 --> 00:44:58,200 if you're listening live hey well I have 1037 00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:00,900 you people live right now and for 1038 00:45:05,749 --> 00:45:03,089 listeners that check this out as a 1039 00:45:07,759 --> 00:45:05,759 podcast at some point and you would like 1040 00:45:10,219 --> 00:45:07,769 to listen life I'm actually thinking 1041 00:45:14,479 --> 00:45:10,229 about moving the date the day that I do 1042 00:45:19,809 --> 00:45:14,489 this show possibly - Saturday Sunday or 1043 00:45:22,339 --> 00:45:19,819 Monday so and that's that's only because 1044 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:22,349 sometimes I get busy and Wednesdays are 1045 00:45:30,049 --> 00:45:26,249 really tough for me to do so if you 1046 00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:30,059 would like to put your note in the chat 1047 00:45:35,690 --> 00:45:33,119 room now so either Saturday Sunday or 1048 00:45:38,479 --> 00:45:35,700 Monday I may switch the day - I may keep 1049 00:45:40,339 --> 00:45:38,489 it the way it is but if someone would 1050 00:45:44,359 --> 00:45:40,349 just reply to that or if you're 1051 00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:44,369 listening as a podcast and you would 1052 00:45:50,420 --> 00:45:47,640 like to contact me because you do listen 1053 00:45:54,380 --> 00:45:50,430 occasionally live its Martin at podcast 1054 00:46:00,519 --> 00:45:54,390 UFO calm Martin at podcast UFO calm is 1055 00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:00,529 the email address so about the Bible 1056 00:46:05,930 --> 00:46:03,119 there is there's a lot of people have 1057 00:46:09,620 --> 00:46:05,940 talked like you there's some connections 1058 00:46:13,130 --> 00:46:09,630 with UFOs or ETS and the Bible but but 1059 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:13,140 my first question about that is what 1060 00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:15,210 makes you I said this earlier what makes 1061 00:46:21,650 --> 00:46:19,529 you believe the Bible is or what do you 1062 00:46:25,549 --> 00:46:21,660 think it is and why do you think it is 1063 00:46:27,709 --> 00:46:25,559 what you think it is okay that's a good 1064 00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:27,719 question that's something that I began 1065 00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:30,960 to really look at seriously about twenty 1066 00:46:37,549 --> 00:46:34,710 years ago I was found myself as a 1067 00:46:39,019 --> 00:46:37,559 mystery mom of a young daughter and I 1068 00:46:41,390 --> 00:46:39,029 realized one that I couldn't explain to 1069 00:46:42,589 --> 00:46:41,400 her why I thought Wright was right and 1070 00:46:45,739 --> 00:46:42,599 wrong was wrong I didn't know why I 1071 00:46:47,329 --> 00:46:45,749 believed what I believed as I said 1072 00:46:49,849 --> 00:46:47,339 before we was raised in the church but 1073 00:46:52,910 --> 00:46:49,859 could not give an answer for why I 1074 00:46:54,709 --> 00:46:52,920 thought the Bible would be true okay 1075 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:54,719 yeah this is this is all nice stuff in 1076 00:46:58,370 --> 00:46:55,170 here 1077 00:47:00,319 --> 00:46:58,380 is all made up so again looking at the 1078 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:00,329 the textual evidence the archeological 1079 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:03,690 evidence and so forth books like the 1080 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:04,410 case for Christ 1081 00:47:10,970 --> 00:47:06,450 at least drawable other resources like 1082 00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:10,980 that when you come right down to it the 1083 00:47:16,549 --> 00:47:13,680 the texts that have been collated into 1084 00:47:19,339 --> 00:47:16,559 the the New Testament have been 1085 00:47:21,530 --> 00:47:19,349 preserved more accurately more carefully 1086 00:47:23,180 --> 00:47:21,540 over the last 2,000 years than any other 1087 00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:23,190 text that exists from the class of the 1088 00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:26,640 world I mean if one were to say we can't 1089 00:47:31,970 --> 00:47:30,089 trust these documents because then to 1090 00:47:36,020 --> 00:47:31,980 apply the same standard to the writings 1091 00:47:38,539 --> 00:47:36,030 of Caesar the Roman historians 1092 00:47:39,890 --> 00:47:38,549 the Greeks like you know Homer or 1093 00:47:41,180 --> 00:47:39,900 Aristotle plate we'd have to throw all 1094 00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:41,190 of that out because all of their dot 1095 00:47:45,289 --> 00:47:42,569 there are fewer copies and they're much 1096 00:47:48,980 --> 00:47:45,299 newer than the texts that make up the 1097 00:47:49,849 --> 00:47:48,990 Bible you look at the and I could I 1098 00:47:52,220 --> 00:47:49,859 could go through a number of other 1099 00:47:57,530 --> 00:47:52,230 reasons but what what Cinch did for me 1100 00:47:58,730 --> 00:47:57,540 was the 15th chapter of Paul's first 1101 00:48:01,069 --> 00:47:58,740 letter to the Corinthians first 1102 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:01,079 Corinthians 15 where he says to the 1103 00:48:07,730 --> 00:48:05,130 church at Corinth look this is what was 1104 00:48:08,809 --> 00:48:07,740 passed on to me and he goes through you 1105 00:48:10,970 --> 00:48:08,819 know this is what we believe as 1106 00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,980 Christians and that on the third day he 1107 00:48:16,220 --> 00:48:12,480 rose again and appeared first to Peter 1108 00:48:21,500 --> 00:48:16,230 and then to James James his half-brother 1109 00:48:23,210 --> 00:48:21,510 and into the 12th and then to 500 1110 00:48:25,690 --> 00:48:23,220 brothers at once some of whom have 1111 00:48:27,260 --> 00:48:25,700 fallen asleep but most are still alive 1112 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:27,270 essentially what he was telling the 1113 00:48:32,059 --> 00:48:29,010 church at Corinth which is in Turkey 1114 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:32,069 today was that there were a lot of 1115 00:48:36,859 --> 00:48:33,930 witnesses who saw this guy who had been 1116 00:48:38,539 --> 00:48:36,869 crucified and yet was alive again and 1117 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:38,549 even though he was writing the letter 20 1118 00:48:42,380 --> 00:48:40,770 years later most of them were still 1119 00:48:44,780 --> 00:48:42,390 alive so if you don't believe me go to 1120 00:48:47,210 --> 00:48:44,790 Jerusalem and ask around because there 1121 00:48:49,940 --> 00:48:47,220 are witnesses still walking around who 1122 00:48:51,170 --> 00:48:49,950 saw this and can verifying what I what 1123 00:48:55,970 --> 00:48:51,180 I'm saying to you what I'm writing to 1124 00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:55,980 you that the and his half-brother James 1125 00:49:01,789 --> 00:48:57,450 his story the fact that he was martyred 1126 00:49:04,819 --> 00:49:01,799 in the year 67 ad you know Gospel of 1127 00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:04,829 John chapter 7 says genius and his 1128 00:49:08,290 --> 00:49:06,960 brother's good part pardon me for just 1129 00:49:09,940 --> 00:49:08,300 one second we're 1130 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:09,950 are having an issue with our phone line 1131 00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:12,770 I'm using a different computer I do need 1132 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:14,510 to answer this real quickly and you'll 1133 00:50:55,749 --> 00:49:16,130 be put on hold for just a second I'll be 1134 00:51:02,769 --> 00:50:59,949 all right Derek here you are okay um so 1135 00:51:04,689 --> 00:51:02,779 what happens I mean a um actually I 1136 00:51:08,099 --> 00:51:04,699 guess it didn't come through the Skype 1137 00:51:10,629 --> 00:51:08,109 is the phone call I'm in a hotel room so 1138 00:51:12,989 --> 00:51:10,639 I'm using a different computer and this 1139 00:51:14,979 --> 00:51:12,999 Skype is not allowing me to add calls 1140 00:51:18,999 --> 00:51:14,989 really apologize for that 1141 00:51:20,709 --> 00:51:19,009 so our caller did ask so I don't know 1142 00:51:22,829 --> 00:51:20,719 maybe there was a bunch of silence just 1143 00:51:25,929 --> 00:51:22,839 now on there the caller wanted to know 1144 00:51:29,019 --> 00:51:25,939 what your thoughts were on father Al do 1145 00:51:30,579 --> 00:51:29,029 Chi and his thoughts of extraterrestrial 1146 00:51:32,379 --> 00:51:30,589 life 1147 00:51:37,029 --> 00:51:32,389 I'm not familiar with father L do she 1148 00:51:40,059 --> 00:51:37,039 said Lea or father you talking about 1149 00:51:41,529 --> 00:51:40,069 Balducci the baby that's up I couldn't 1150 00:51:42,159 --> 00:51:41,539 quite understand what he said that's 1151 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:42,169 probably it 1152 00:51:49,449 --> 00:51:46,130 yes okay yeah he's one of the 1153 00:51:51,699 --> 00:51:49,459 researchers with the the Vatican's the 1154 00:51:53,229 --> 00:51:51,709 Vatican Observatory well again I think 1155 00:51:55,389 --> 00:51:53,239 that the Vatican is trying to hedge its 1156 00:51:58,029 --> 00:51:55,399 bets yeah 1157 00:52:00,039 --> 00:51:58,039 and again the they've been open to the 1158 00:52:03,969 --> 00:52:00,049 possibility of extraterrestrial life for 1159 00:52:06,569 --> 00:52:03,979 a long time now I can't say that I agree 1160 00:52:10,179 --> 00:52:06,579 with their proposal that they would 1161 00:52:13,149 --> 00:52:10,189 baptize extraterrestrials should they 1162 00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:13,159 exist but again in that respect we're 1163 00:52:19,779 --> 00:52:15,369 getting into an area of theology that's 1164 00:52:23,229 --> 00:52:19,789 highly speculative and until we have 1165 00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:23,239 hard evidence that ET is actually exists 1166 00:52:28,629 --> 00:52:25,249 and are visiting on us and have some 1167 00:52:31,749 --> 00:52:28,639 interest in pursuing faith in Jesus 1168 00:52:36,189 --> 00:52:31,759 Christ well it's an interesting exercise 1169 00:52:38,019 --> 00:52:36,199 I would rather deal with what we know 1170 00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:38,029 and the evidence that we have in front 1171 00:52:46,299 --> 00:52:44,209 of us now it's it's a topic that my 1172 00:52:50,049 --> 00:52:46,309 colleague in fact my boss Tom Horn the 1173 00:52:51,370 --> 00:52:50,059 CEO of sky watch TV he has done some 1174 00:52:55,179 --> 00:52:51,380 research on he's the author of XO 1175 00:52:56,529 --> 00:52:55,189 katakana and has actually been down to 1176 00:52:58,569 --> 00:52:56,539 the Vatican Observatory and talked to 1177 00:53:01,329 --> 00:52:58,579 some of the folks connected with the 1178 00:53:03,669 --> 00:53:01,339 research so we took it in a different 1179 00:53:05,409 --> 00:53:03,679 direction because we felt Tom and the 1180 00:53:07,540 --> 00:53:05,419 late Chris Putnam is co-author really 1181 00:53:11,380 --> 00:53:07,550 covered that subject really well 1182 00:53:17,260 --> 00:53:11,390 now you've been mentioning Jesus Christ 1183 00:53:20,050 --> 00:53:17,270 a lot and so you're going back to a 1184 00:53:24,190 --> 00:53:20,060 couple thousand years you know mankind's 1185 00:53:29,530 --> 00:53:24,200 been around forever why do why do we 1186 00:53:33,450 --> 00:53:29,540 think that Jesus Christ existed or is 1187 00:53:38,650 --> 00:53:33,460 the end all to the way things should be 1188 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:38,660 in the one God that you believe in well 1189 00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:39,410 it's a fair question 1190 00:53:42,910 --> 00:53:41,570 and again I come back to the eyewitness 1191 00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:42,920 testimony we've got the eyewitness 1192 00:53:46,990 --> 00:53:45,530 testimony of people who saw him lived 1193 00:53:53,140 --> 00:53:47,000 with them worked with him learned from 1194 00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:53,150 him the Gospels Matthew John were 1195 00:53:59,500 --> 00:53:55,850 disciples of his mark was a disciple of 1196 00:54:01,480 --> 00:53:59,510 Peter Luke was a historian who in the 1197 00:54:03,610 --> 00:54:01,490 beginning at the Gospel of Luke says 1198 00:54:04,810 --> 00:54:03,620 that he basically talked to people who'd 1199 00:54:06,250 --> 00:54:04,820 been involved with the movement since 1200 00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:06,260 the beginning and was very careful to 1201 00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:09,110 compile a an account and what had 1202 00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:10,160 happened so that others might believe 1203 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:13,850 Luke also wrote the book of Acts and a 1204 00:54:19,630 --> 00:54:16,490 company did Paul on some of his travels 1205 00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:19,640 and again as Paul mentioned in his 1206 00:54:24,670 --> 00:54:21,650 letter to the church at Corinth you had 1207 00:54:26,460 --> 00:54:24,680 the the 500 witnesses some of whom he 1208 00:54:29,980 --> 00:54:26,470 said it died but most were still around 1209 00:54:31,150 --> 00:54:29,990 in in as I said in a sense telling the 1210 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:31,160 church at Corinth if you don't believe 1211 00:54:35,620 --> 00:54:34,010 the story that I'm telling you there are 1212 00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:35,630 still witnesses walking around who saw 1213 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:40,730 this guy rise from the dead so it's the 1214 00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:42,290 eyewitness testimony and again the fact 1215 00:54:45,220 --> 00:54:43,610 that those texts have been preserved 1216 00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:45,230 better than any other document from the 1217 00:54:49,090 --> 00:54:47,330 the classical world is the anchor point 1218 00:54:52,330 --> 00:54:49,100 for me I would find it really difficult 1219 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:52,340 to accept that yes this guy walked on 1220 00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:54,290 water yes this guy performed these 1221 00:54:58,720 --> 00:54:56,810 miracles and cast out these demons and 1222 00:54:59,980 --> 00:54:58,730 did this that and the other thing if it 1223 00:55:01,210 --> 00:54:59,990 had not been for the eyewitness 1224 00:55:02,650 --> 00:55:01,220 testimony and the fact that the 1225 00:55:06,550 --> 00:55:02,660 eyewitnesses were then willing to die 1226 00:55:08,290 --> 00:55:06,560 for that testimony yes people will die 1227 00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:08,300 for their beliefs even if those beliefs 1228 00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:12,530 are wrong but people who are saying 1229 00:55:15,370 --> 00:55:13,250 anyway 1230 00:55:19,810 --> 00:55:15,380 aren't likely to die for something that 1231 00:55:20,859 --> 00:55:19,820 they know is a lie so unless all of the 1232 00:55:23,759 --> 00:55:20,869 Apostles 1233 00:55:27,579 --> 00:55:23,769 were really wrong about what they saw 1234 00:55:30,819 --> 00:55:27,589 and because the the record shows that - 1235 00:55:32,859 --> 00:55:30,829 all except John were martyred what big 1236 00:55:35,170 --> 00:55:32,869 lead and again as I started to say the 1237 00:55:37,630 --> 00:55:35,180 thing that sensitive for me was James 1238 00:55:40,359 --> 00:55:37,640 the half-brother of Jesus who in John 1239 00:55:42,279 --> 00:55:40,369 chapter 7 is one of the Brothers of 1240 00:55:44,799 --> 00:55:42,289 Jesus who confronted him and say hey 1241 00:55:46,269 --> 00:55:44,809 aren't you gonna go down to the festival 1242 00:55:47,559 --> 00:55:46,279 in Jerusalem because if you want to be 1243 00:55:49,269 --> 00:55:47,569 known you can't just keep preaching up 1244 00:55:52,569 --> 00:55:49,279 here and you know out in the sticks and 1245 00:55:55,900 --> 00:55:52,579 in Galilee for even his brothers did not 1246 00:55:57,609 --> 00:55:55,910 believe in him and yet about thirty-five 1247 00:55:59,920 --> 00:55:57,619 years later James was willing to be 1248 00:56:03,880 --> 00:55:59,930 martyred rather than recant his 1249 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:03,890 testimony that Jesus was Messiah now why 1250 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:05,450 would he do that I mean if my sister had 1251 00:56:09,569 --> 00:56:06,650 come to me one day and said hey before 1252 00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:09,579 Abraham was I am 1253 00:56:14,259 --> 00:56:11,690 Yeah right we'd be calling for medical 1254 00:56:17,019 --> 00:56:14,269 help and that's kind of the position 1255 00:56:20,279 --> 00:56:17,029 James and his brothers Jude and others 1256 00:56:23,289 --> 00:56:20,289 Simeon were in and yet something changed 1257 00:56:24,430 --> 00:56:23,299 between the time of the crucifixion and 1258 00:56:26,380 --> 00:56:24,440 the time when James was actually 1259 00:56:28,180 --> 00:56:26,390 martyred and it's known from Paul's 1260 00:56:30,729 --> 00:56:28,190 testimony and others that James was a 1261 00:56:34,269 --> 00:56:30,739 leader in the early church what changed 1262 00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:34,279 first Corinthians 15 the risen Jesus 1263 00:56:39,370 --> 00:56:37,089 appeared first to Peter then to James 1264 00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:39,380 that might change your worldview saying 1265 00:56:46,029 --> 00:56:42,079 your brother rise from the dead that's 1266 00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:46,039 what changed my own worldview hmm yeah I 1267 00:56:51,549 --> 00:56:48,170 don't know what to I'm just gonna stay 1268 00:56:54,460 --> 00:56:51,559 at agnostic when it comes to things like 1269 00:56:58,210 --> 00:56:54,470 that and this kind of the same way I 1270 00:57:03,460 --> 00:56:58,220 approach the UFO topic I try to be 1271 00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:03,470 anyway you know there's Christianity 1272 00:57:06,819 --> 00:57:04,970 he's been around for a couple thousand 1273 00:57:09,519 --> 00:57:06,829 years I already mentioned that humans 1274 00:57:12,220 --> 00:57:09,529 have been around for maybe two hundred 1275 00:57:15,370 --> 00:57:12,230 thousand there's it's questionable how 1276 00:57:18,999 --> 00:57:15,380 long maybe 300 maybe longer there's been 1277 00:57:21,309 --> 00:57:19,009 so many religions where they said this 1278 00:57:23,739 --> 00:57:21,319 is it this is it there's still religions 1279 00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:23,749 now around the world that this is the 1280 00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:26,319 right religion why do you think 1281 00:57:32,319 --> 00:57:30,049 Christianity is the only religion I mean 1282 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:32,329 do you agree that other people have the 1283 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:34,490 rights to practice their own religion 1284 00:57:39,730 --> 00:57:37,010 oh sure so that's the thing when God 1285 00:57:42,550 --> 00:57:39,740 created us all with freewill and that 1286 00:57:45,490 --> 00:57:42,560 includes the free well to do bad things 1287 00:57:47,650 --> 00:57:45,500 in fact that's the answer I think or an 1288 00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:47,660 answer anyway for why bad things happen 1289 00:57:54,190 --> 00:57:49,490 to good people God did not create us to 1290 00:57:56,140 --> 00:57:54,200 be automatons to only do according to 1291 00:57:59,410 --> 00:57:56,150 his will or only operate within a 1292 00:58:01,600 --> 00:57:59,420 certain range of actions you know I'll 1293 00:58:03,070 --> 00:58:01,610 let you swing your arm this far but I'm 1294 00:58:05,770 --> 00:58:03,080 gonna step in and stop you before you 1295 00:58:09,100 --> 00:58:05,780 hit someone else in the nose no he gave 1296 00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:09,110 us free will to choose and sadly a lot 1297 00:58:17,170 --> 00:58:13,970 of us choose to do bad things so and now 1298 00:58:21,580 --> 00:58:17,180 I'm not equating doing bad things with 1299 00:58:23,230 --> 00:58:21,590 choosing to believe in another god again 1300 00:58:25,260 --> 00:58:23,240 that's that's part of our creation God 1301 00:58:29,950 --> 00:58:25,270 created us all with freewill and then 1302 00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:29,960 since his death on in order to draw men 1303 00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:32,570 to him but again the choice is up to us 1304 00:58:38,650 --> 00:58:35,570 so when I talk about this with other 1305 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:38,660 people I try not to be I get passionate 1306 00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:40,810 about it but try not to be too 1307 00:58:46,690 --> 00:58:43,130 overbearing about it because ultimately 1308 00:58:48,370 --> 00:58:46,700 I can't twist you anyone's arm I can't 1309 00:58:51,310 --> 00:58:48,380 you know take out a gun or use the point 1310 00:58:53,170 --> 00:58:51,320 of a sword which sadly has been done by 1311 00:58:55,900 --> 00:58:53,180 people in the name of Christ in the past 1312 00:58:58,690 --> 00:58:55,910 and there's no biblical support for that 1313 00:59:02,020 --> 00:58:58,700 let me point out I'm happy to share the 1314 00:59:03,340 --> 00:59:02,030 reasons I have faith in Jesus Christ and 1315 00:59:04,690 --> 00:59:03,350 the reasons for the hope that I have in 1316 00:59:06,460 --> 00:59:04,700 Christ which is part of our calling as 1317 00:59:08,770 --> 00:59:06,470 Christians but it is not up to me to 1318 00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:08,780 compel you and certainly not to try to 1319 00:59:15,490 --> 00:59:11,690 force you to choose that is up to you 1320 00:59:16,750 --> 00:59:15,500 that is your choice your decision so to 1321 00:59:18,670 --> 00:59:16,760 our Jewish brothers sisters Muslim 1322 00:59:23,260 --> 00:59:18,680 brothers and sisters Hindus Buddhists 1323 00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:23,270 Jains Shinto whatever you have the right 1324 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:26,240 to choose but I'll be happy to share you 1325 00:59:29,620 --> 00:59:27,530 know if you want I'll be happy to share 1326 00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:29,630 the evidence now why do I believe Jesus 1327 00:59:35,740 --> 00:59:33,920 is the way because he said so I am the 1328 00:59:37,620 --> 00:59:35,750 way the truth and the life and no one 1329 00:59:42,609 --> 00:59:37,630 comes to the Father except through me 1330 00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:42,619 that's pretty clear it would be a lot 1331 00:59:45,820 --> 00:59:44,930 easier to be a Christian if we could do 1332 00:59:47,380 --> 00:59:45,830 like 1333 00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:47,390 in fact I just talked about this today 1334 00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:49,250 on Skywatch TV I do a daily news update 1335 00:59:55,210 --> 00:59:52,130 about 10-15 minutes in length American 1336 00:59:56,500 --> 00:59:55,220 church pastor in Chicago who and I'm 1337 00:59:58,090 --> 00:59:56,510 sure you heard the story and all the you 1338 01:00:00,850 --> 00:59:58,100 know the Fuhrer are from Christians when 1339 01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:00,860 Joy Behar on the view said that vice 1340 01:00:06,010 --> 01:00:03,170 president pence saying that he gets 1341 01:00:08,350 --> 01:00:06,020 messages or hears from Jesus is a sign 1342 01:00:10,690 --> 01:00:08,360 of insanity well a megachurch pastor at 1343 01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:10,700 a Christian Church in Chicago said that 1344 01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:12,530 the idea that Jesus is the only way to 1345 01:00:17,260 --> 01:00:15,410 heaven is insanity and this isn't a 1346 01:00:18,790 --> 01:00:17,270 fringe guy this is a guy who is an 1347 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:18,800 adjunct professor at the Chicago 1348 01:00:25,900 --> 01:00:21,010 Theological Seminary he's also on the 1349 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:25,910 he's a Dean and at the Duke University 1350 01:00:29,530 --> 01:00:28,010 Divinity School so this is not a fringe 1351 01:00:32,110 --> 01:00:29,540 guy this is a guy who pastors a church 1352 01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:32,120 of more than 10,000 members saying Jesus 1353 01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:34,640 isn't the only way well ok then what I 1354 01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:36,650 say is that you're not in any real sense 1355 01:00:41,290 --> 01:00:39,410 a Christian I'm sorry not you cannot 1356 01:00:44,740 --> 01:00:41,300 square that with Jesus own words I am 1357 01:00:46,150 --> 01:00:44,750 the way the truth and the life no like I 1358 01:00:48,910 --> 01:00:46,160 said it'd be a lot easier if we could 1359 01:00:53,380 --> 01:00:48,920 say he is a way but that's not what he 1360 01:00:56,140 --> 01:00:53,390 said do you explain that things 1361 01:00:58,180 --> 01:00:56,150 happening like the Crusades were you 1362 01:01:01,180 --> 01:00:58,190 know so many people were killed in the 1363 01:01:04,810 --> 01:01:01,190 name of Christianity and other you know 1364 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:04,820 conflicts do you push that off as free 1365 01:01:11,020 --> 01:01:09,770 will of man as well free will but I mean 1366 01:01:12,490 --> 01:01:11,030 it you know free will is a very broad 1367 01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:12,500 topic it doesn't mean a good thing and 1368 01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:14,960 it's not excusing it certainly you know 1369 01:01:19,570 --> 01:01:16,730 the fact that somebody chooses to shoot 1370 01:01:21,100 --> 01:01:19,580 17 people in a school in Florida yeah 1371 01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:21,110 that's an example of free will it 1372 01:01:25,270 --> 01:01:23,210 doesn't excuse what he did 1373 01:01:28,210 --> 01:01:25,280 now the Crusades are a little more 1374 01:01:30,220 --> 01:01:28,220 nuanced than people like to like to 1375 01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:30,230 think there were a lot of bad things 1376 01:01:33,370 --> 01:01:31,970 that happen as the Crusaders got into 1377 01:01:35,410 --> 01:01:33,380 the Holy Land and started slaughtering 1378 01:01:37,150 --> 01:01:35,420 people you know innocents for no reason 1379 01:01:38,620 --> 01:01:37,160 and that is inexcusable and again 1380 01:01:43,390 --> 01:01:38,630 there's no biblical support for doing 1381 01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:43,400 that but the Crusades were in large 1382 01:01:49,180 --> 01:01:46,970 measure a response to the violent 1383 01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:49,190 expansion of Islam from the seventh 1384 01:01:53,890 --> 01:01:52,610 century on so you know there's some 1385 01:01:56,290 --> 01:01:53,900 political there's some geopolitical 1386 01:01:58,750 --> 01:01:56,300 stuff in there as well killing in the 1387 01:01:59,690 --> 01:01:58,760 name of Jesus though know that that's 1388 01:02:02,750 --> 01:01:59,700 never that's not 1389 01:02:06,859 --> 01:02:02,760 the vinyl has never it's not supported 1390 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:06,869 anywhere yeah unfortunately in the name 1391 01:02:11,690 --> 01:02:09,450 of many religions there has been a lot 1392 01:02:15,620 --> 01:02:11,700 I think Christianity certainly has its 1393 01:02:17,839 --> 01:02:15,630 major share yeah so one of the things I 1394 01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:17,849 noticed that you had some talking points 1395 01:02:22,220 --> 01:02:20,730 that you send my way but before that 1396 01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:22,230 there is a question in chat someone 1397 01:02:26,599 --> 01:02:23,970 wanted me to get to actually was the 1398 01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:26,609 caller I set a second question by him 1399 01:02:32,510 --> 01:02:29,130 and he wanted to know what your thoughts 1400 01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:32,520 on ETS holding religion or Dogma so high 1401 01:02:36,260 --> 01:02:34,530 as humans - do you think that's a 1402 01:02:38,089 --> 01:02:36,270 possibility first of all you already 1403 01:02:40,010 --> 01:02:38,099 said you don't believe there is ETS 1404 01:02:42,730 --> 01:02:40,020 right but if there were or let's 1405 01:02:45,410 --> 01:02:42,740 hypothetically if there were ETS well 1406 01:02:46,819 --> 01:02:45,420 you know like like politicians I don't 1407 01:02:50,030 --> 01:02:46,829 like to answer hypotheticals cuz they 1408 01:02:52,220 --> 01:02:50,040 always come back to bite you and but but 1409 01:02:56,329 --> 01:02:52,230 but let me say this one of the things 1410 01:02:58,609 --> 01:02:56,339 that we hear from from contactees 1411 01:03:01,640 --> 01:02:58,619 we often hear messages from contactees 1412 01:03:02,870 --> 01:03:01,650 that have religious themes and that's 1413 01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:02,880 one of the things that we explored in 1414 01:03:10,220 --> 01:03:05,490 the book in fact i make the case of the 1415 01:03:12,319 --> 01:03:10,230 book and Josh as well you know Josh did 1416 01:03:15,650 --> 01:03:12,329 more of the the more recent stuff 1417 01:03:18,740 --> 01:03:15,660 looking at the the WikiLeaks release of 1418 01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:18,750 John Podesta see males between the 1419 01:03:23,780 --> 01:03:21,890 Apollo astronaut dr. Edgar Mitchell and 1420 01:03:25,819 --> 01:03:23,790 Podesta who was Hillary Clinton's 1421 01:03:29,210 --> 01:03:25,829 campaign chair trying to make contact 1422 01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:29,220 with Barack Obama and the reason 1423 01:03:35,390 --> 01:03:31,290 Mitchell wanted to contact the president 1424 01:03:38,030 --> 01:03:35,400 was to pass along offers from what he 1425 01:03:40,370 --> 01:03:38,040 called extraterrestrials from the 1426 01:03:41,900 --> 01:03:40,380 contiguous universe you know a 1427 01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:41,910 neighboring universe again the 1428 01:03:48,740 --> 01:03:44,010 extra-dimensional hypothesis apparently 1429 01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:48,750 in view there and dr. Mitchell as the 1430 01:03:54,260 --> 01:03:49,970 co-founder the Institute of noetic 1431 01:03:56,990 --> 01:03:54,270 Sciences has a long history in looking 1432 01:04:00,170 --> 01:03:57,000 for scientific tools to try to 1433 01:04:04,250 --> 01:04:00,180 understand the supernatural realm so for 1434 01:04:07,700 --> 01:04:04,260 him this was a spiritual quest as well 1435 01:04:10,660 --> 01:04:07,710 as a scientific quest and the messages 1436 01:04:14,599 --> 01:04:10,670 that he was receiving from these 1437 01:04:15,769 --> 01:04:14,609 entity piece and I'm not and I believe 1438 01:04:17,029 --> 01:04:15,779 he was hearing from something I just 1439 01:04:20,930 --> 01:04:17,039 don't think they were what he thinks 1440 01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:20,940 they were had some spiritual and 1441 01:04:24,859 --> 01:04:22,650 religious overtones one group that he in 1442 01:04:26,989 --> 01:04:24,869 fact called Celestials while Celestials 1443 01:04:32,959 --> 01:04:26,999 is a word that shows up in the New 1444 01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:32,969 Testament where some Gnostic believers 1445 01:04:41,089 --> 01:04:36,690 were criticized by both Peter and Jude 1446 01:04:43,759 --> 01:04:41,099 in their letters for blaspheming the 1447 01:04:45,229 --> 01:04:43,769 celestial ones so what are we talking 1448 01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:45,239 about here are we talking about angelic 1449 01:04:51,229 --> 01:04:49,920 beings possibly could it be that dr. 1450 01:04:53,509 --> 01:04:51,239 Mitchell was talking about angelic 1451 01:04:59,420 --> 01:04:53,519 beings certainly his colleague Terry 1452 01:05:04,489 --> 01:04:59,430 main thought so but are they loyal to 1453 01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:04,499 God and if so which God my previous book 1454 01:05:08,719 --> 01:05:06,450 the great inception I make the case that 1455 01:05:11,660 --> 01:05:08,729 the gods small G gods of the Old 1456 01:05:14,950 --> 01:05:11,670 Testament such as Moloch tomash Dagon 1457 01:05:17,150 --> 01:05:14,960 Asherah Bale etc were real entities 1458 01:05:18,829 --> 01:05:17,160 fallen angels if you will but gods 1459 01:05:21,849 --> 01:05:18,839 nonetheless God in the Bible calls them 1460 01:05:23,779 --> 01:05:21,859 gods so we're dealing with a 1461 01:05:25,099 --> 01:05:23,789 supernatural realm of spiritual realm 1462 01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:25,109 that's more heavily populated than most 1463 01:05:30,829 --> 01:05:26,569 of us Christians have been taught to 1464 01:05:31,999 --> 01:05:30,839 which kind of doesn't help us when it 1465 01:05:34,430 --> 01:05:32,009 comes to trying when it comes to trying 1466 01:05:35,900 --> 01:05:34,440 to understand what dr. Mitchell is 1467 01:05:38,749 --> 01:05:35,910 talking about what other contact ISA 1468 01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:38,759 have been talking about but we hear from 1469 01:05:42,799 --> 01:05:40,319 other contactees who hear from groups 1470 01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:42,809 that identify themselves as things like 1471 01:05:47,809 --> 01:05:45,690 the ashtar command or you know going 1472 01:05:49,519 --> 01:05:47,819 back to Helena Blavatsky the great white 1473 01:05:52,809 --> 01:05:49,529 Brotherhood the Masters of ascended 1474 01:05:55,729 --> 01:05:52,819 wisdom entities intelligences that live 1475 01:05:57,640 --> 01:05:55,739 outside the solar system or at least off 1476 01:06:00,380 --> 01:05:57,650 planet that had come from other worlds 1477 01:06:05,359 --> 01:06:00,390 and they very often are bringing 1478 01:06:07,549 --> 01:06:05,369 messages about how mankind is to evolve 1479 01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:07,559 and that they're there to offer us their 1480 01:06:11,209 --> 01:06:09,690 help in so doing certainly that's what 1481 01:06:13,249 --> 01:06:11,219 dr. dr. Mitchell believed that there 1482 01:06:14,420 --> 01:06:13,259 were tools and technologies that they 1483 01:06:16,370 --> 01:06:14,430 were willing to offer us such as 1484 01:06:18,829 --> 01:06:16,380 zero-point energy if we could show that 1485 01:06:21,049 --> 01:06:18,839 we would not be violent and take our 1486 01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:21,059 violent ways out into the into the 1487 01:06:26,660 --> 01:06:24,000 universe so 1488 01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:26,670 there are often messages from these 1489 01:06:33,260 --> 01:06:30,000 entities that deal with matters that I 1490 01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:33,270 we can call spiritual and yet they're 1491 01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:36,480 often contradictory even their points of 1492 01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:38,130 origin or are contradictory they they 1493 01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:40,530 seem to or originated from from 1494 01:06:45,290 --> 01:06:42,240 different places from contact eating 1495 01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:45,300 contact II and one of the things I've 1496 01:06:53,860 --> 01:06:49,200 mentioned in the book is that when you 1497 01:06:58,360 --> 01:06:53,870 look at the the the theory itself of 1498 01:07:01,340 --> 01:06:58,370 ancient astronauts in ancient aliens 1499 01:07:04,970 --> 01:07:01,350 you can draw you you can see that the 1500 01:07:07,310 --> 01:07:04,980 inspiration for the hypothesis that the 1501 01:07:10,730 --> 01:07:07,320 the gods of the ancient world or the the 1502 01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:10,740 angels of the ancient world were nothing 1503 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:13,530 more than visitors from other worlds 1504 01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:16,410 with far superior technology comes right 1505 01:07:20,540 --> 01:07:18,000 out of the occult teachings of the 19th 1506 01:07:27,500 --> 01:07:20,550 century : Hellena Pulaski and Aleister 1507 01:07:29,420 --> 01:07:27,510 Crowley right yeah I I did see a little 1508 01:07:31,310 --> 01:07:29,430 bit of that in your book I was reading 1509 01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:31,320 that here's a here's a interesting 1510 01:07:40,430 --> 01:07:36,770 question in the chat say ETS were proven 1511 01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:40,440 that they did exist and you mentioned 1512 01:07:45,140 --> 01:07:41,970 earlier that you could still keep your 1513 01:07:47,420 --> 01:07:45,150 faith sure the second part of the 1514 01:07:50,030 --> 01:07:47,430 question how then would you reconcile 1515 01:07:52,730 --> 01:07:50,040 the crucifixion and resurrection with 1516 01:07:57,310 --> 01:07:52,740 that in other words do you think that 1517 01:08:01,340 --> 01:07:57,320 they would happen on other worlds also 1518 01:08:02,810 --> 01:08:01,350 in other words why would we if if ETS 1519 01:08:04,420 --> 01:08:02,820 are out there and there's like billions 1520 01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:04,430 of planets with ETS 1521 01:08:10,700 --> 01:08:08,610 ET ice as you call them does each world 1522 01:08:13,070 --> 01:08:10,710 have its own Jesus and crucifixion and 1523 01:08:14,330 --> 01:08:13,080 resurrection well you know obviously we 1524 01:08:16,749 --> 01:08:14,340 have no way to know that answer I mean 1525 01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:16,759 the Bible doesn't tell us and there's no 1526 01:08:22,249 --> 01:08:18,810 solid evidence that's one way or the 1527 01:08:23,420 --> 01:08:22,259 other that that exists anywhere else I 1528 01:08:26,900 --> 01:08:23,430 mean that is an interesting thought 1529 01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:26,910 problem and it's one that theologians 1530 01:08:31,190 --> 01:08:28,410 have wrestled with Believe It or Not for 1531 01:08:32,749 --> 01:08:31,200 well centuries I mean if there were ETS 1532 01:08:34,220 --> 01:08:32,759 on another planet would they have to 1533 01:08:35,780 --> 01:08:34,230 have their own Savior which Jesus had to 1534 01:08:36,579 --> 01:08:35,790 die again and again and again for all of 1535 01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:36,589 it 1536 01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:38,330 don't know oh that's why I tend to 1537 01:08:41,650 --> 01:08:39,890 believe that if that were the case God 1538 01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:41,660 probably would have told us in his word 1539 01:08:47,950 --> 01:08:44,810 that's why I don't personally believe we 1540 01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:47,960 are ever going to see a true disclosure 1541 01:08:52,450 --> 01:08:50,330 movement and I should point out that the 1542 01:08:54,099 --> 01:08:52,460 the website for the book by the way 1543 01:08:56,380 --> 01:08:54,109 where we've got an offer on the book and 1544 01:08:58,210 --> 01:08:56,390 a variety of other products over three 1545 01:09:00,490 --> 01:08:58,220 hundred dollars worth of video and book 1546 01:09:02,140 --> 01:09:00,500 product for just $39 is official 1547 01:09:04,270 --> 01:09:02,150 disclosure com 1548 01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:04,280 so if you go there it's cheaper than 1549 01:09:09,910 --> 01:09:08,330 Amazon official disclosure com I don't 1550 01:09:12,250 --> 01:09:09,920 think we're going to see official 1551 01:09:15,610 --> 01:09:12,260 disclosure because I don't think there's 1552 01:09:17,470 --> 01:09:15,620 anything officially to disclose and I 1553 01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:17,480 approach this a couple of ways first of 1554 01:09:25,890 --> 01:09:19,730 all I don't think we've got hard 1555 01:09:28,380 --> 01:09:25,900 evidence of actual confirmable 1556 01:09:33,610 --> 01:09:28,390 extraterrestrial presence on the planet 1557 01:09:35,890 --> 01:09:33,620 secondly I think that if and again I 1558 01:09:38,020 --> 01:09:35,900 will say that Josh and I do conclude 1559 01:09:40,480 --> 01:09:38,030 that we have been visited by inhuman 1560 01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:40,490 entities for literally thousands of 1561 01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:43,250 years but again if we look at it from 1562 01:09:47,650 --> 01:09:44,480 the standpoint of the extra-dimensional 1563 01:09:49,990 --> 01:09:47,660 hypothesis well then we're talking about 1564 01:09:52,059 --> 01:09:50,000 the possibility that these entities are 1565 01:10:00,010 --> 01:09:52,069 the Fallen Angels that the Bible tells 1566 01:10:01,660 --> 01:10:00,020 us about if the the promise of official 1567 01:10:05,020 --> 01:10:01,670 disclosure right around the corner is of 1568 01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:05,030 any use to these rebels against the 1569 01:10:08,410 --> 01:10:05,770 Creator 1570 01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:08,420 then I think they're gonna get more use 1571 01:10:13,270 --> 01:10:11,810 out of that promise by keeping that 1572 01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:13,280 carrot out in front of the horse and 1573 01:10:18,490 --> 01:10:15,610 never letting the horse catch up to it 1574 01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:18,500 it's like when you go see a monster film 1575 01:10:22,410 --> 01:10:20,210 they they reveal the monster too soon it 1576 01:10:25,150 --> 01:10:22,420 loses its impact 1577 01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:25,160 you know if the monsters always just 1578 01:10:33,250 --> 01:10:29,210 off-screen just you know the shadow just 1579 01:10:36,730 --> 01:10:33,260 the you know the anticipation is is kept 1580 01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:36,740 up far longer into the thermal I think 1581 01:10:42,130 --> 01:10:38,810 the the promise of official disclosure 1582 01:10:44,460 --> 01:10:42,140 is more useful and again this is my 1583 01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:44,470 hypothesis as a as a Christian but I 1584 01:10:48,350 --> 01:10:46,850 think it's more useful to these entities 1585 01:10:50,899 --> 01:10:48,360 that have been visiting earth 1586 01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:50,909 then actually revealing what they've got 1587 01:10:56,990 --> 01:10:54,449 because once we saw the actual evidence 1588 01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:57,000 we'd be I don't think we'd be as 1589 01:11:05,570 --> 01:11:01,440 impressed as some folks think we would 1590 01:11:09,740 --> 01:11:05,580 be well you know there may be it may be 1591 01:11:12,530 --> 01:11:09,750 a letdown to some but it would really 1592 01:11:14,540 --> 01:11:12,540 depend on in my opinion this is my 1593 01:11:16,939 --> 01:11:14,550 opinion I guess it really depends on 1594 01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:16,949 what type of communication we had with 1595 01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:19,170 whatever they are you know in other 1596 01:11:24,410 --> 01:11:21,570 words do they know something that we 1597 01:11:26,689 --> 01:11:24,420 don't know about the three questions you 1598 01:11:28,459 --> 01:11:26,699 mentioned earlier you know where do we 1599 01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:28,469 come from where we go when we die and 1600 01:11:34,850 --> 01:11:30,810 why we here whatever I can't remember 1601 01:11:37,939 --> 01:11:34,860 but those missions yeah those questions 1602 01:11:41,450 --> 01:11:37,949 you know if they actually knew or had an 1603 01:11:44,060 --> 01:11:41,460 idea what those what those answers were 1604 01:11:45,859 --> 01:11:44,070 we had a lot of contact is sure and a 1605 01:11:48,229 --> 01:11:45,869 lot of contact these have said that they 1606 01:11:50,270 --> 01:11:48,239 they had been getting answers like that 1607 01:11:52,850 --> 01:11:50,280 from these entities and of course they 1608 01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:52,860 never seem to track with the Bible or 1609 01:11:59,780 --> 01:11:54,210 I've not at least heard of any that 1610 01:12:01,760 --> 01:11:59,790 track with the Bible in terms of you 1611 01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:01,770 know the the path to salvation and again 1612 01:12:04,550 --> 01:12:03,090 it comes down to that one you know 1613 01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:04,560 sticking point there where Jesus says 1614 01:12:12,140 --> 01:12:06,810 you know he's the only way you don't get 1615 01:12:14,660 --> 01:12:12,150 that message from contactees so that's 1616 01:12:17,959 --> 01:12:14,670 that's why I think it's it's more useful 1617 01:12:19,540 --> 01:12:17,969 to them to keep dangling the the promise 1618 01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:19,550 of evidence out there without actually 1619 01:12:25,580 --> 01:12:23,010 disclosing it there are people again who 1620 01:12:27,530 --> 01:12:25,590 I am sure are hearing from entities 1621 01:12:29,450 --> 01:12:27,540 there are people I'm sure who are seeing 1622 01:12:30,770 --> 01:12:29,460 that insight again John I should I make 1623 01:12:34,669 --> 01:12:30,780 it clear in the book that we don't deny 1624 01:12:38,060 --> 01:12:34,679 that things are going on just based on 1625 01:12:40,879 --> 01:12:38,070 the evidence it may not be what people 1626 01:12:42,859 --> 01:12:40,889 think it is and I think it comes down to 1627 01:12:46,209 --> 01:12:42,869 the ability to corroborate some of these 1628 01:12:51,260 --> 01:12:46,219 things you know dr. Greer for all of his 1629 01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:51,270 sincerity has not produced anything yet 1630 01:12:58,970 --> 01:12:57,570 that is on the order of say a dead man 1631 01:13:02,119 --> 01:12:58,980 coming back and appearing do you know 1632 01:13:05,149 --> 01:13:02,129 hundreds of people in a single time 1633 01:13:08,329 --> 01:13:05,159 you know somebody that that people saw 1634 01:13:10,219 --> 01:13:08,339 in a very public way expire give up the 1635 01:13:11,949 --> 01:13:10,229 ghost and spend you know three days in a 1636 01:13:15,250 --> 01:13:11,959 tomb 1637 01:13:18,849 --> 01:13:15,260 so until something like that happens 1638 01:13:21,589 --> 01:13:18,859 we're depending on the testimony of 1639 01:13:23,359 --> 01:13:21,599 generally speaking I mean there are some 1640 01:13:25,699 --> 01:13:23,369 examples some some exceptions to this 1641 01:13:27,469 --> 01:13:25,709 for example Fatima is one magic or yes 1642 01:13:29,449 --> 01:13:27,479 another where you know multitudes of 1643 01:13:31,099 --> 01:13:29,459 people will see the you know similar 1644 01:13:33,949 --> 01:13:31,109 things at the same time but it comes to 1645 01:13:36,589 --> 01:13:33,959 specific messages about who these 1646 01:13:41,089 --> 01:13:36,599 visitors are and what they want to offer 1647 01:13:43,699 --> 01:13:41,099 to us or what they want from us we never 1648 01:13:45,559 --> 01:13:43,709 hear from more than one or two at a time 1649 01:13:49,309 --> 01:13:45,569 and again often the stories are 1650 01:13:52,239 --> 01:13:49,319 contradictory the question I have is if 1651 01:13:54,589 --> 01:13:52,249 these entities are truly that advanced 1652 01:13:55,579 --> 01:13:54,599 why can't they reach out to more than 1653 01:13:58,750 --> 01:13:55,589 one person at a time 1654 01:14:01,790 --> 01:13:58,760 why is the contact almost always 1655 01:14:04,339 --> 01:14:01,800 telepathic spiritual in other words you 1656 01:14:05,719 --> 01:14:04,349 know I mean I'm using a webcam I'm not 1657 01:14:07,819 --> 01:14:05,729 certainly a technical genius 1658 01:14:12,619 --> 01:14:07,829 well I can't they use a webcam and send 1659 01:14:16,069 --> 01:14:12,629 up a flare you know use this boom there 1660 01:14:18,919 --> 01:14:16,079 was a case several years ago at the 1661 01:14:21,739 --> 01:14:18,929 Coronado hotel out in California where 1662 01:14:24,079 --> 01:14:21,749 there's supposedly was several people 1663 01:14:27,770 --> 01:14:24,089 that claimed that they were all abducted 1664 01:14:31,339 --> 01:14:27,780 at the same time you know and you know I 1665 01:14:35,359 --> 01:14:31,349 I have been a lot of times on the fence 1666 01:14:39,349 --> 01:14:35,369 about you know abductions I just don't 1667 01:14:42,589 --> 01:14:39,359 know but I also am open-minded to the 1668 01:14:45,259 --> 01:14:42,599 fact that it possibly is happening it 1669 01:14:47,689 --> 01:14:45,269 just seems to me that it's kind of 1670 01:14:50,389 --> 01:14:47,699 bizarre that there'd be so many you know 1671 01:14:52,129 --> 01:14:50,399 possibly millions of people coming 1672 01:14:53,599 --> 01:14:52,139 through and I think in your book 1673 01:14:56,540 --> 01:14:53,609 somewhere are you mentioned why would 1674 01:15:00,290 --> 01:14:56,550 they keep coming back maybe that was 1675 01:15:02,329 --> 01:15:00,300 about something else that was actually 1676 01:15:05,270 --> 01:15:02,339 why are the UFOs keep coming back is 1677 01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:05,280 that right is that right well the I 1678 01:15:09,559 --> 01:15:07,530 think the question is you know why if 1679 01:15:13,459 --> 01:15:09,569 these are advanced entities and they're 1680 01:15:14,370 --> 01:15:13,469 doing something to these contactees many 1681 01:15:16,310 --> 01:15:14,380 of whom are 1682 01:15:19,070 --> 01:15:16,320 clearly traumatized by what they 1683 01:15:20,939 --> 01:15:19,080 experienced if these are truly advanced 1684 01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:20,949 entities you would think that they would 1685 01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:22,330 be able to detect the fact that they are 1686 01:15:28,379 --> 01:15:25,570 inflicting trauma upon these these 1687 01:15:33,620 --> 01:15:28,389 contact these and abductors certainly 1688 01:15:36,990 --> 01:15:33,630 when we abduct a lower life-form for 1689 01:15:39,570 --> 01:15:37,000 experimentation in a laboratory okay we 1690 01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:39,580 can tell when we're inflicting trauma on 1691 01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:43,600 a guinea pig or on a monkey we can take 1692 01:15:47,250 --> 01:15:45,850 up that's why there are animal rights 1693 01:15:50,550 --> 01:15:47,260 detectives to get very upset about 1694 01:15:53,820 --> 01:15:50,560 experimenting on the animals if these 1695 01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:53,830 entities are as advanced as we would 1696 01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:55,690 like to think they are and clearly must 1697 01:16:00,419 --> 01:15:58,000 be in order to you know if they did in 1698 01:16:04,020 --> 01:16:00,429 fact cross the vast gulf of space to get 1699 01:16:05,910 --> 01:16:04,030 here why they keep hurting people why do 1700 01:16:09,870 --> 01:16:05,920 the people who've been through this 1701 01:16:14,910 --> 01:16:09,880 experience find themselves well as dr. 1702 01:16:16,410 --> 01:16:14,920 John Mack pointed out you do study with 1703 01:16:17,939 --> 01:16:16,420 so many points of correlation something 1704 01:16:21,629 --> 01:16:17,949 like more than two dozen I think three 1705 01:16:22,979 --> 01:16:21,639 dozen points of correlation between the 1706 01:16:28,350 --> 01:16:22,989 accounts of abductees and the accounts 1707 01:16:29,910 --> 01:16:28,360 of people who had been rigidly abused at 1708 01:16:33,020 --> 01:16:29,920 some point you would think that they was 1709 01:16:35,010 --> 01:16:33,030 a okay we're hurting these these things 1710 01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:35,020 and maybe they don't consider it 1711 01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:36,489 attention maybe they don't care I don't 1712 01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:38,489 know but that again that speaks to their 1713 01:16:44,340 --> 01:16:42,850 nature and perhaps to their intent and 1714 01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:44,350 again one of the things I really 1715 01:16:48,689 --> 01:16:46,810 influential reading check didn't talk to 1716 01:16:50,669 --> 01:16:48,699 him very long at the Roswell conference 1717 01:16:52,140 --> 01:16:50,679 but I did read his book and listened to 1718 01:16:54,540 --> 01:16:52,150 a number of introduce it he's that he's 1719 01:16:58,800 --> 01:16:54,550 given the Jack Brewer book the greys 1720 01:17:01,890 --> 01:16:58,810 have been framed is a really serious and 1721 01:17:04,379 --> 01:17:01,900 hard look at the way abductees are 1722 01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:04,389 treated in the UFO community and it 1723 01:17:09,959 --> 01:17:07,330 really changed my view shifted my view 1724 01:17:11,729 --> 01:17:09,969 on the abduction phenomena I believe 1725 01:17:15,919 --> 01:17:11,739 it's real again I just don't think it is 1726 01:17:21,899 --> 01:17:15,929 what most in the community think it is 1727 01:17:25,110 --> 01:17:21,909 so if so you actually think that the 1728 01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:25,120 disclosure going back to that you 1729 01:17:28,050 --> 01:17:26,770 actually think that is being controlled 1730 01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:28,060 by 1731 01:17:34,230 --> 01:17:31,210 whatever the entities are that are 1732 01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:34,240 showing up here is that did I catch that 1733 01:17:38,010 --> 01:17:36,850 right well it to a degree I mean again 1734 01:17:41,370 --> 01:17:38,020 that's I'm just trying to figure out a 1735 01:17:42,870 --> 01:17:41,380 hey I have a hypothesis here I think the 1736 01:17:45,090 --> 01:17:42,880 belief that the government controls all 1737 01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:45,100 this information and is just not wanting 1738 01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:47,440 to let it out I think that maybe getting 1739 01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:48,490 the government a little too much credit 1740 01:17:55,290 --> 01:17:51,610 for what it actually knows or what it 1741 01:17:58,820 --> 01:17:55,300 thinks it knows I think that this 1742 01:18:02,580 --> 01:17:58,830 deception and I'll use that word 1743 01:18:04,260 --> 01:18:02,590 purposely this deception that we're 1744 01:18:05,580 --> 01:18:04,270 being visited by extraterrestrial 1745 01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:05,590 entities because again I don't think 1746 01:18:14,190 --> 01:18:07,600 their extraterrestrial extra-dimensional 1747 01:18:16,980 --> 01:18:14,200 yeah I can I can buy that is useful if 1748 01:18:19,740 --> 01:18:16,990 we hypothesize extra dimensional 1749 01:18:21,780 --> 01:18:19,750 entities that have a specific agenda in 1750 01:18:23,910 --> 01:18:21,790 mind and if these extra dimensional 1751 01:18:25,500 --> 01:18:23,920 entities are or what we as Christians 1752 01:18:27,540 --> 01:18:25,510 would call fallen angels 1753 01:18:30,570 --> 01:18:27,550 well what would their agenda be it's to 1754 01:18:32,250 --> 01:18:30,580 get people to believe anything but that 1755 01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:32,260 one thing that I talked about earlier 1756 01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:34,090 which is you know faith in Jesus Christ 1757 01:18:41,250 --> 01:18:36,400 so they don't really care if you believe 1758 01:18:45,330 --> 01:18:41,260 in Allah or in zeta-reticulans 1759 01:18:47,870 --> 01:18:45,340 or or whatever or you know as long as 1760 01:18:50,130 --> 01:18:47,880 it's not the one thing they're good and 1761 01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:50,140 I think as you look at the history of 1762 01:18:56,010 --> 01:18:54,250 the UFO phenomenon and how the craft the 1763 01:19:01,260 --> 01:18:56,020 types of craft that witnesses have seen 1764 01:19:04,230 --> 01:19:01,270 had changed over years to where it seems 1765 01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:04,240 to match the the culture so that people 1766 01:19:08,580 --> 01:19:07,450 seeing an unidentified flying ship would 1767 01:19:10,830 --> 01:19:08,590 relate it to something that they were 1768 01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:10,840 familiar with the the Texas you have 1769 01:19:15,230 --> 01:19:12,610 both laugh from the 1890s they were 1770 01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:15,240 seeing airships flying airships 1771 01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:17,050 Alexander the Great in the fourth 1772 01:19:23,340 --> 01:19:20,650 century BC saw flying shield the modern 1773 01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:23,350 flying saucer phenomenon when you look 1774 01:19:26,220 --> 01:19:24,730 at the sketch that Kenneth Arnold true 1775 01:19:28,260 --> 01:19:26,230 and Kenneth Arnold sighting was really 1776 01:19:31,350 --> 01:19:28,270 the first major sighting of the post-war 1777 01:19:32,970 --> 01:19:31,360 era he didn't actually describe him as 1778 01:19:37,500 --> 01:19:32,980 looking like saucers they looked a 1779 01:19:39,480 --> 01:19:37,510 little more like flying wings which was 1780 01:19:41,430 --> 01:19:39,490 a type of aircraft that the United 1781 01:19:45,540 --> 01:19:41,440 States and Germany were experi 1782 01:19:47,130 --> 01:19:45,550 menteng with in the 40s in fact it's the 1783 01:19:49,380 --> 01:19:47,140 shape of some of our more modern 1784 01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:49,390 aircraft that are flying today and 1785 01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:51,850 stealth aircraft and stealth bomber but 1786 01:19:56,670 --> 01:19:55,090 he said that they moved like and I'm 1787 01:19:58,020 --> 01:19:56,680 sure you know this son Martin and moved 1788 01:20:00,209 --> 01:19:58,030 like saucers being skipped across the 1789 01:20:01,740 --> 01:20:00,219 water and hence we get flying saucers 1790 01:20:06,090 --> 01:20:01,750 and suddenly everybody seen these round 1791 01:20:07,890 --> 01:20:06,100 saucer shaped things so I think the 1792 01:20:10,500 --> 01:20:07,900 enemy and I'll use that word is no 1793 01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:10,510 capital e enemy these fallen angels and 1794 01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:13,930 again this is my hypothesis with the 1795 01:20:17,420 --> 01:20:15,520 evidence that we have available to us if 1796 01:20:20,370 --> 01:20:17,430 they are in fact responsible for these 1797 01:20:25,410 --> 01:20:20,380 extra dimensional incursions into our 1798 01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:25,420 realm choose whatever shape or form 1799 01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:29,650 would prove most useful to their to 1800 01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:32,770 their storyline perpetuity promoting 1801 01:20:37,459 --> 01:20:35,170 their narrative which is that we're 1802 01:20:40,340 --> 01:20:37,469 being just extra-terrestrial 1803 01:20:43,860 --> 01:20:40,350 intelligences who were in fact our 1804 01:20:45,750 --> 01:20:43,870 creators and now they're back to help us 1805 01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:45,760 evolve to the next level of our 1806 01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:49,770 development just to let you know the 1807 01:20:56,070 --> 01:20:52,239 Alexander the Great you know flying 1808 01:20:59,520 --> 01:20:56,080 shield thing is can only be traced back 1809 01:21:01,640 --> 01:20:59,530 to 1959 when some other wrote it in a 1810 01:21:04,830 --> 01:21:01,650 book so that has been kind of 1811 01:21:09,060 --> 01:21:04,840 deconstructing yep okay but and those 1812 01:21:11,189 --> 01:21:09,070 there's also mari island the last time i 1813 01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:11,199 was talking that i had all these people 1814 01:21:14,070 --> 01:21:13,570 tell me that that has been totally 1815 01:21:16,410 --> 01:21:14,080 debunked 1816 01:21:18,630 --> 01:21:16,420 I don't really know I've never seen the 1817 01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:18,640 debunking of mari island but I would be 1818 01:21:23,130 --> 01:21:21,610 interested if someone could email me 1819 01:21:24,900 --> 01:21:23,140 that information where that information 1820 01:21:26,580 --> 01:21:24,910 lies I just don't know I think it's 1821 01:21:28,620 --> 01:21:26,590 really curious that fredchristman who 1822 01:21:31,260 --> 01:21:28,630 was one of the principal witnesses to 1823 01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:31,270 the Mori Island incident is a guy who 1824 01:21:38,970 --> 01:21:34,090 shows up in connection with a number of 1825 01:21:40,979 --> 01:21:38,980 other famous conspiracies over of the in 1826 01:21:44,430 --> 01:21:40,989 the u.s. year over the last 70 years he 1827 01:21:46,140 --> 01:21:44,440 was a friend of the father Michael 1828 01:21:48,110 --> 01:21:46,150 ricotta Sciuto who was connected the 1829 01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:48,120 promise software theft and the whole 1830 01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:51,010 octopus investigation another if you're 1831 01:21:56,209 --> 01:21:52,170 familiar with that 1832 01:21:57,439 --> 01:21:56,219 oh okay Michael Ratana shooters did an 1833 01:21:59,570 --> 01:21:57,449 interesting fellow I think he's been in 1834 01:22:00,860 --> 01:21:59,580 prison mate may just have been released 1835 01:22:04,700 --> 01:22:00,870 within the last six months or so but 1836 01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:04,710 yeah that's a whole story 1984-85 a 1837 01:22:08,810 --> 01:22:06,570 company called inslaw develop program 1838 01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:08,820 called promise B ro Mis which was case 1839 01:22:13,850 --> 01:22:11,760 management software for anyway kind of 1840 01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:13,860 shoot I figured out how to swipe it on 1841 01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:15,120 behalf of some other folks 1842 01:22:21,530 --> 01:22:17,370 anyway fredchristman shows up there Jim 1843 01:22:23,419 --> 01:22:21,540 Garrison in the the JFK investigation in 1844 01:22:26,330 --> 01:22:23,429 New Orleans thought that crisp linen was 1845 01:22:31,490 --> 01:22:26,340 blowing the one of the tramps to the 1846 01:22:35,930 --> 01:22:31,500 rail yard I think there's another bit of 1847 01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:35,940 another quote from a book book that I 1848 01:22:39,650 --> 01:22:37,410 included in the day they would stand 1849 01:22:42,110 --> 01:22:39,660 still about Chrisman who was apparently 1850 01:22:47,260 --> 01:22:42,120 the source for information it was turned 1851 01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:47,270 into a UFO television series in 1960s 1852 01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:49,410 Chrisman is one of those intelligence 1853 01:22:53,900 --> 01:22:51,210 community guys who keeps showing up and 1854 01:22:55,100 --> 01:22:53,910 a number of these stories and he was 1855 01:22:59,180 --> 01:22:55,110 right there 1856 01:23:02,390 --> 01:22:59,190 isn't that something Wow hey one thing I 1857 01:23:05,060 --> 01:23:02,400 wanted to tell you is we have the images 1858 01:23:07,939 --> 01:23:05,070 that you sent us over that we can load 1859 01:23:09,790 --> 01:23:07,949 up as we're talking so if you think the 1860 01:23:11,810 --> 01:23:09,800 topic that you are speaking of 1861 01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:11,820 represents that image could you please 1862 01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:14,250 tell tell us so the show producer can 1863 01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:16,800 pop that up unfortunately I never got a 1864 01:23:19,580 --> 01:23:18,330 chance to look at the images so I don't 1865 01:23:21,650 --> 01:23:19,590 know what's there 1866 01:23:24,919 --> 01:23:21,660 fallen angels you mentioned that a 1867 01:23:29,709 --> 01:23:24,929 couple of times in the Bible so other 1868 01:23:33,070 --> 01:23:29,719 other possible things that people can 1869 01:23:36,260 --> 01:23:33,080 connect to the Bible when it comes to 1870 01:23:39,410 --> 01:23:36,270 well we want to say extraterrestrial or 1871 01:23:41,870 --> 01:23:39,420 you know being visited is there any 1872 01:23:44,090 --> 01:23:41,880 other parallels that you can think of 1873 01:23:45,650 --> 01:23:44,100 when it comes to the Bible well one of 1874 01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:45,660 one of the things we thought was really 1875 01:23:49,310 --> 01:23:47,040 strange we started digging into the 1876 01:23:50,689 --> 01:23:49,320 research here several years ago I had 1877 01:23:53,150 --> 01:23:50,699 the opportunity to interview Peter 1878 01:23:54,860 --> 01:23:53,160 lavinda who has researched the occult 1879 01:23:57,020 --> 01:23:54,870 quite a bit but he's also done a lot of 1880 01:23:58,700 --> 01:23:57,030 research into the space program and the 1881 01:24:01,400 --> 01:23:58,710 odd connections between you know Nazis 1882 01:24:05,810 --> 01:24:01,410 UFOs and 1883 01:24:08,530 --> 01:24:05,820 he wrote a book called the Dark Lord in 1884 01:24:11,570 --> 01:24:08,540 which he traced those strange 1885 01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:11,580 connections between the fiction of HP 1886 01:24:16,820 --> 01:24:14,010 Lovecraft who was the creator of the 1887 01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:16,830 Cthulhu Mythos back in the 20s and 30s 1888 01:24:22,580 --> 01:24:19,770 and Aleister Crowley who was the 1889 01:24:24,020 --> 01:24:22,590 occultist who founded Tolima probably 1890 01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:24,030 the best-known occultist in the 20th 1891 01:24:32,540 --> 01:24:30,210 century lavinda showed that when he 1892 01:24:34,459 --> 01:24:32,550 wrote the Cthulhu Mythos in 1926 and he 1893 01:24:36,979 --> 01:24:34,469 said there's no evidence that Lovecraft 1894 01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:36,989 knew of Crowley's work he might have 1895 01:24:40,070 --> 01:24:38,610 known or heard Crowley's name but he 1896 01:24:43,670 --> 01:24:40,080 didn't know of Crowley's working and 1897 01:24:47,300 --> 01:24:43,680 Lovecraft was an atheist professing 1898 01:24:50,570 --> 01:24:47,310 atheist but he was tapi as a horror 1899 01:24:53,959 --> 01:24:50,580 author to draw on the teachings of a 1900 01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:53,969 cultists like livanski and he meant 1901 01:24:58,520 --> 01:24:56,010 since theosophy a number of times in his 1902 01:25:02,630 --> 01:24:58,530 stories and used that as grist for his 1903 01:25:04,130 --> 01:25:02,640 mill well in 1926 when he wrote the Call 1904 01:25:06,550 --> 01:25:04,140 of Cthulhu which is the story that he's 1905 01:25:10,250 --> 01:25:06,560 best known for and his best-known 1906 01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:10,260 monster if you will Cthulhu was the the 1907 01:25:16,970 --> 01:25:15,120 the dead dead but dead dead but sleeping 1908 01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:16,980 dead but dreaming God who lies in this 1909 01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:18,960 ruined city at the at the bottom of the 1910 01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:21,690 ocean sea and already got a number of 1911 01:25:25,580 --> 01:25:23,760 things there that come out of theosophy 1912 01:25:27,170 --> 01:25:25,590 you know the lost continents a 1913 01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:27,180 megalithic architecture and stuff like 1914 01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:29,850 that created by a superior ancient race 1915 01:25:36,020 --> 01:25:32,400 that might return someday when the stars 1916 01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:36,030 align correctly Lebedev pointed out that 1917 01:25:40,130 --> 01:25:37,770 in the story 1918 01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:40,140 Lovecraft set the action back in 1907 1919 01:25:46,370 --> 01:25:42,330 and on Halloween night of 1907 in 1920 01:25:47,810 --> 01:25:46,380 particular when in the story the police 1921 01:25:49,340 --> 01:25:47,820 in New Orleans find the statue this 1922 01:25:51,979 --> 01:25:49,350 little you know this little statue of 1923 01:25:54,950 --> 01:25:51,989 Cthulhu who was the you know the star of 1924 01:25:59,180 --> 01:25:54,960 the story well it just so happens that 1925 01:26:01,070 --> 01:25:59,190 on Halloween night in 1907 Aleister 1926 01:26:02,630 --> 01:26:01,080 Crowley was channeling something 1927 01:26:05,540 --> 01:26:02,640 channeling an entity that was feeding 1928 01:26:06,890 --> 01:26:05,550 him the teachings that became some of 1929 01:26:08,450 --> 01:26:06,900 the books of his the books of the law 1930 01:26:10,850 --> 01:26:08,460 for his religion tolima 1931 01:26:13,030 --> 01:26:10,860 and in the course of writing on 1932 01:26:15,820 --> 01:26:13,040 Halloween night one of the 1933 01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:15,830 he broke down in this channeling session 1934 01:26:22,870 --> 01:26:20,090 was the name to to Lu sounds kind of 1935 01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:22,880 like Cthulhu not exactly but kind of 1936 01:26:29,670 --> 01:26:25,690 like it but Levin de pointed out that 1937 01:26:32,350 --> 01:26:29,680 Crowley's personal secretary and 1938 01:26:33,910 --> 01:26:32,360 successor Kenneth grant who took 1939 01:26:36,340 --> 01:26:33,920 Crowley's teachings and developed it 1940 01:26:40,570 --> 01:26:36,350 into what he called the the Typhon Ian 1941 01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:40,580 order or the Typhon Ian OTO believed 1942 01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:44,560 that Crowley just misheard the word and 1943 01:26:50,470 --> 01:26:46,610 that what he should have heard was 1944 01:26:53,410 --> 01:26:50,480 cuckoo Lou or Cthulhu 1945 01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:53,420 in other words grant and thus lavinda in 1946 01:26:58,630 --> 01:26:56,090 his research concluded that Crowley and 1947 01:27:00,070 --> 01:26:58,640 Lovecraft were channeling the same 1948 01:27:03,940 --> 01:27:00,080 source even though Lovecraft believed he 1949 01:27:07,570 --> 01:27:03,950 was an atheist they believed that he was 1950 01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:07,580 hearing from the same spirit entity that 1951 01:27:10,810 --> 01:27:08,930 was feeding information to Aleister 1952 01:27:13,450 --> 01:27:10,820 Crowley well Kenneth grant took 1953 01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:13,460 Crowley's teachings as I said Crowley 1954 01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:15,890 believed he was welcoming in what he 1955 01:27:21,370 --> 01:27:18,290 called Aeon of Horus Horus was one of 1956 01:27:23,470 --> 01:27:21,380 the Egyptian gods grant developed his 1957 01:27:28,180 --> 01:27:23,480 teachings and believed that what he was 1958 01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:28,190 bringing in or inaugurating was the Aeon 1959 01:27:36,340 --> 01:27:33,280 of set well set is the Kaos God of Egypt 1960 01:27:40,450 --> 01:27:36,350 the God the Greeks called typhoon hence 1961 01:27:44,500 --> 01:27:40,460 the typhoon haiyan order so and it 1962 01:27:46,150 --> 01:27:44,510 believed that what he was hearing or 1963 01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:46,160 what he was what he had learned from the 1964 01:27:52,090 --> 01:27:47,570 teachings of Crumley was what he called 1965 01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:52,100 the Sirius set current or the set Sirius 1966 01:27:56,230 --> 01:27:53,360 current in other words something coming 1967 01:28:00,670 --> 01:27:56,240 from the star system serious from this 1968 01:28:02,740 --> 01:28:00,680 entity is chaos God who was coming back 1969 01:28:04,450 --> 01:28:02,750 to earth some day just as Lovecraft 1970 01:28:06,420 --> 01:28:04,460 wrote that these old gods would someday 1971 01:28:09,150 --> 01:28:06,430 return when the stars were right and 1972 01:28:11,020 --> 01:28:09,160 reclaim dominion over the earth and 1973 01:28:13,060 --> 01:28:11,030 apparently Grant was very disturbed 1974 01:28:14,740 --> 01:28:13,070 about that and why he spent so much time 1975 01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:14,750 researching and trying to develop this 1976 01:28:19,570 --> 01:28:17,570 form of chaos magic well I don't know if 1977 01:28:20,950 --> 01:28:19,580 your viewers listeners are familiar with 1978 01:28:22,870 --> 01:28:20,960 chaos magic it's certainly not something 1979 01:28:25,300 --> 01:28:22,880 I'm very well-educated on but apparently 1980 01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:25,310 this is a bigger deal than I realized 1981 01:28:28,509 --> 01:28:26,449 when we got into 1982 01:28:29,919 --> 01:28:28,519 researching the book here it wasn't 1983 01:28:34,319 --> 01:28:29,929 quite the direction we expected things 1984 01:28:36,850 --> 01:28:34,329 to go but looking at this belief that 1985 01:28:37,959 --> 01:28:36,860 and let me let me finish a point here 1986 01:28:40,299 --> 01:28:37,969 and come back to then why this is 1987 01:28:41,709 --> 01:28:40,309 important the reason this is important 1988 01:28:43,359 --> 01:28:41,719 was when you tie this together with the 1989 01:28:46,239 --> 01:28:43,369 research of a gentleman in Jason 1990 01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:46,249 Colavito who was generally speaking a 1991 01:28:48,449 --> 01:28:47,449 skeptic when it comes to the 1992 01:28:52,390 --> 01:28:48,459 supernatural 1993 01:28:53,049 --> 01:28:52,400 Keisha knows that the fiction of HP 1994 01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:53,059 Lovecraft 1995 01:28:58,169 --> 01:28:55,010 was very influential on the modern 1996 01:29:01,060 --> 01:28:58,179 ancient aliens movement because after 1997 01:29:02,859 --> 01:29:01,070 Lovecraft's death in 1936 a number of 1998 01:29:04,899 --> 01:29:02,869 friends of Lovecraft kept writing in the 1999 01:29:07,529 --> 01:29:04,909 same genre using some of the creations 2000 01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:07,539 and creatures that Lovecraft invented 2001 01:29:12,100 --> 01:29:10,130 and Lovecraft's work was republished it 2002 01:29:13,390 --> 01:29:12,110 was sent out to soldiers during World 2003 01:29:16,330 --> 01:29:13,400 War two to entertain them while they 2004 01:29:18,609 --> 01:29:16,340 were out in the trenches the French it 2005 01:29:21,759 --> 01:29:18,619 turns out in the 1950s discovered HP 2006 01:29:22,930 --> 01:29:21,769 Lovecraft and loved Lovecraft his stuff 2007 01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:22,940 was translated into French and 2008 01:29:25,660 --> 01:29:24,050 republished in a number of magazines 2009 01:29:27,790 --> 01:29:25,670 there and a couple of science fiction 2010 01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:27,800 magazine publishers named Powell's and 2011 01:29:34,449 --> 01:29:32,570 Burgi a drawing a work of Lovecraft and 2012 01:29:38,020 --> 01:29:34,459 the themes that he incorporated it was 2013 01:29:39,609 --> 01:29:38,030 cyclopean architecture you know 2014 01:29:42,219 --> 01:29:39,619 megalithic structures that nobody can 2015 01:29:44,799 --> 01:29:42,229 explain how they they came to be old 2016 01:29:47,500 --> 01:29:44,809 gods and the return of you know the 2017 01:29:49,469 --> 01:29:47,510 return of these old guy wrote a book 2018 01:29:53,020 --> 01:29:49,479 called mourning of the magicians 2019 01:29:54,699 --> 01:29:53,030 published in about 1960 which again 2020 01:29:59,439 --> 01:29:54,709 explored a lot of these themes that we 2021 01:30:01,660 --> 01:29:59,449 see in ancient aliens today well it was 2022 01:30:04,319 --> 01:30:01,670 translated into English about 63 sold 2023 01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:04,329 pretty well and like anything when you 2024 01:30:12,459 --> 01:30:08,690 create something new in literature or 2025 01:30:15,129 --> 01:30:12,469 movies or music that sells well people 2026 01:30:17,500 --> 01:30:15,139 picked up on it and try to replicate it 2027 01:30:19,359 --> 01:30:17,510 copy it and and sell the room well one 2028 01:30:21,540 --> 01:30:19,369 author who picked up on Powell's and 2029 01:30:24,850 --> 01:30:21,550 burr Shea's work inspired by Lovecraft 2030 01:30:29,020 --> 01:30:24,860 witch Crowley's successor believed was 2031 01:30:32,379 --> 01:30:29,030 just channeled Aleister Crowley was the 2032 01:30:34,839 --> 01:30:32,389 hotel operator in Switzerland by the 2033 01:30:36,250 --> 01:30:34,849 name of Erich von däniken and von 2034 01:30:38,830 --> 01:30:36,260 Daniken published Chariots of the Gods 2035 01:30:40,140 --> 01:30:38,840 in 1970 Powell's and bercier were not 2036 01:30:42,209 --> 01:30:40,150 pleased because they felt 2037 01:30:45,300 --> 01:30:42,219 his work was a little too close to 2038 01:30:45,540 --> 01:30:45,310 theirs for coincidence but be that as it 2039 01:30:48,260 --> 01:30:45,550 may 2040 01:30:52,020 --> 01:30:48,270 chariots of the gods the best-selling 2041 01:30:53,399 --> 01:30:52,030 archeology book in history and von 2042 01:30:55,919 --> 01:30:53,409 Daniken has gone and says something like 2043 01:30:58,770 --> 01:30:55,929 60 million copies of you know books 2044 01:31:00,090 --> 01:30:58,780 around the world a couple of years after 2045 01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:00,100 Chariots of the Gods 2046 01:31:03,870 --> 01:31:01,570 zecharia sitchin came along and 2047 01:31:06,750 --> 01:31:03,880 published the 12th planet which made the 2048 01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:06,760 case that the sumerian gods the Anunnaki 2049 01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:10,090 were actually aliens who came to earth 2050 01:31:14,700 --> 01:31:11,650 and created humanity as a slave race 2051 01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:14,710 again this tracks with some of the 2052 01:31:20,370 --> 01:31:16,210 themes of Helena Blavatsky 2053 01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:20,380 in theosophy from the 1880s so again 2054 01:31:25,290 --> 01:31:22,210 you've got a Blavatsky crowley filtered 2055 01:31:28,140 --> 01:31:25,300 through Lovecraft repackaged by von 2056 01:31:30,030 --> 01:31:28,150 Daniken incision and now ancient alien 2057 01:31:32,340 --> 01:31:30,040 dances in its 12th season on the History 2058 01:31:33,899 --> 01:31:32,350 Channel it is essentially warmed-over 2059 01:31:36,030 --> 01:31:33,909 occult teachings in fact that's why 2060 01:31:38,250 --> 01:31:36,040 there are some critics like Colavito who 2061 01:31:44,100 --> 01:31:38,260 say ancient aliens is nothing more than 2062 01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:44,110 televangelism for theosophy so it's got 2063 01:31:50,580 --> 01:31:46,690 religious overtones but I don't think 2064 01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:50,590 people who are intrigued by the idea are 2065 01:31:56,700 --> 01:31:54,690 even aware I know 2066 01:31:59,160 --> 01:31:56,710 zechariah stitch and i heard it was a 2067 01:32:01,790 --> 01:31:59,170 very very nice man but he had he had 2068 01:32:07,530 --> 01:32:01,800 some really far-out things to say and 2069 01:32:10,290 --> 01:32:07,540 we've had erich von daniken on a couple 2070 01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:10,300 of times interesting man 2071 01:32:17,220 --> 01:32:15,610 i know he's he's had kind of a little 2072 01:32:19,340 --> 01:32:17,230 bit of a checkered past a number of 2073 01:32:23,010 --> 01:32:19,350 people have sent me links and things 2074 01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:23,020 still a nice man you know seems to be a 2075 01:32:26,820 --> 01:32:25,210 very fun person to talk to I was enjoy 2076 01:32:28,530 --> 01:32:26,830 talking to him well I didn't really have 2077 01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:28,540 a good conversation with him I doubt 2078 01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:30,010 that I would agree with him very much 2079 01:32:34,830 --> 01:32:31,530 but I'd certainly don't want to be 2080 01:32:36,810 --> 01:32:34,840 unkind to either him or to the late mr. 2081 01:32:39,689 --> 01:32:36,820 Sitchin who yes by all accounts was very 2082 01:32:41,459 --> 01:32:39,699 nice but I've been reading a lot of 2083 01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:41,469 Sumerian cosmology over the last couple 2084 01:32:45,780 --> 01:32:43,210 years I'm not a scholar and I'm 2085 01:32:49,950 --> 01:32:45,790 certainly not an expert in it but I have 2086 01:32:51,649 --> 01:32:49,960 yet to see anything in any credentialed 2087 01:32:53,670 --> 01:32:51,659 academic paper about what the Sumerians 2088 01:32:56,190 --> 01:32:53,680 believed about their gods that 2089 01:32:58,560 --> 01:32:56,200 leads me to conclude that there was any 2090 01:33:00,380 --> 01:32:58,570 hint that those things were anything or 2091 01:33:04,650 --> 01:33:00,390 thought to be anything other than 2092 01:33:06,090 --> 01:33:04,660 supernatural beings and our friend dr. 2093 01:33:09,090 --> 01:33:06,100 Michael Heizer whose name I mentioned 2094 01:33:13,110 --> 01:33:09,100 earlier who can read the Sumerian as 2095 01:33:16,740 --> 01:33:13,120 said that mr. Sitchin just either didn't 2096 01:33:18,870 --> 01:33:16,750 know what he was translating or because 2097 01:33:22,860 --> 01:33:18,880 the words just don't say what he claimed 2098 01:33:26,850 --> 01:33:22,870 that they said right now in your book 2099 01:33:32,850 --> 01:33:26,860 you talk about MUFON and this is where 2100 01:33:38,730 --> 01:33:32,860 you and I agree and that is the fact 2101 01:33:42,090 --> 01:33:38,740 that the 2017 you know a vanity 2102 01:33:44,790 --> 01:33:42,100 symposium yeah yeah had some way way out 2103 01:33:47,460 --> 01:33:44,800 fringy topics and I I think that was a 2104 01:33:50,460 --> 01:33:47,470 big mistake myself I understand there's 2105 01:33:52,740 --> 01:33:50,470 an entertainment value but they you know 2106 01:33:57,860 --> 01:33:52,750 it just muddies the water of people that 2107 01:34:00,780 --> 01:33:57,870 are trying to figure this thing out so 2108 01:34:06,630 --> 01:34:00,790 not only that let's talk about there's 2109 01:34:08,940 --> 01:34:06,640 the MUFON inner circle yeah and let's 2110 01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:08,950 talk a little bit about that and 2111 01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:10,330 actually I think that's changed cuz I 2112 01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:11,650 went to try to find the website here 2113 01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:14,170 today and could not find a listing of 2114 01:34:17,790 --> 01:34:16,210 the inner circle so maybe I you know the 2115 01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:17,800 websites been updated maybe the circle 2116 01:34:20,310 --> 01:34:18,970 has been changed but I know this this 2117 01:34:23,990 --> 01:34:20,320 came out just about the time I went to 2118 01:34:27,090 --> 01:34:24,000 Roswell last year where there was a 2119 01:34:28,530 --> 01:34:27,100 controversy about a couple of things and 2120 01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:28,540 and one of them I don't want to even get 2121 01:34:31,470 --> 01:34:29,650 into because I don't know enough of the 2122 01:34:32,790 --> 01:34:31,480 backstory it's about some personal 2123 01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:32,800 beliefs of one of the other members so 2124 01:34:39,090 --> 01:34:35,250 the inner circle that had to do with 2125 01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:39,100 just you know an issue I don't want a 2126 01:34:44,220 --> 01:34:41,410 can of worms that I want to open but you 2127 01:34:45,330 --> 01:34:44,230 talk about the racist remarks yes yeah 2128 01:34:48,540 --> 01:34:45,340 and I don't know enough about that to 2129 01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:48,550 say to make any comments on that but in 2130 01:34:54,510 --> 01:34:52,090 the case of JZ Knight and you know the 2131 01:34:56,430 --> 01:34:54,520 inner circle and move on at least and 2132 01:34:58,710 --> 01:34:56,440 that and a fact I put it that's one of 2133 01:35:00,510 --> 01:34:58,720 the images I put in that yeah yeah we're 2134 01:35:04,890 --> 01:35:00,520 there right it's up now right now okay 2135 01:35:07,140 --> 01:35:04,900 and I circle JZ Knight because she is or 2136 01:35:10,169 --> 01:35:07,150 was at least at the time I took that 2137 01:35:11,669 --> 01:35:10,179 which was last July or August a member 2138 01:35:14,550 --> 01:35:11,679 of the inner circle which is sort of an 2139 01:35:16,850 --> 01:35:14,560 advisory council for MUFON which bills 2140 01:35:18,510 --> 01:35:16,860 itself as the world's leading 2141 01:35:20,250 --> 01:35:18,520 Organization for the scientific 2142 01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:20,260 investigation of unidentified flying 2143 01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:23,170 objects well there's no nice way to put 2144 01:35:29,700 --> 01:35:25,210 this but JZ Knight is a cult leader and 2145 01:35:32,490 --> 01:35:29,710 she claims to channel a thirty six 2146 01:35:34,140 --> 01:35:32,500 thousand year old warrior from the lost 2147 01:35:36,180 --> 01:35:34,150 continent of Lemuria 2148 01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:36,190 now again Lemuria goes right back to 2149 01:35:41,100 --> 01:35:38,770 Helena Blavatsky that was part of her 2150 01:35:42,750 --> 01:35:41,110 teachings the origin of humanity the 2151 01:35:45,060 --> 01:35:42,760 root races came from this continent of 2152 01:35:46,979 --> 01:35:45,070 Lemuria where the noble warriors of 2153 01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:46,989 Lemuria had to do battle with the evil 2154 01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:50,170 wizards and sorcerers of Atlantis again 2155 01:35:54,209 --> 01:35:52,449 there's been no hard evidence that 2156 01:35:57,140 --> 01:35:54,219 either of those continents exists in 2157 01:36:04,290 --> 01:35:57,150 fact leemarie it was only hypothesized 2158 01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:04,300 1866 a was it a paleontologist or who 2159 01:36:10,530 --> 01:36:06,730 noticed that there were similar monkey 2160 01:36:12,149 --> 01:36:10,540 fossils in India and a Madagascar now if 2161 01:36:13,979 --> 01:36:12,159 you look at a globe you see that there's 2162 01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:13,989 an awful lot of ocean between India and 2163 01:36:18,750 --> 01:36:15,489 Madagascar so he was trying to figure 2164 01:36:21,180 --> 01:36:18,760 out how you could get lemur fossils 2165 01:36:23,550 --> 01:36:21,190 small monkeys that are almost identical 2166 01:36:25,290 --> 01:36:23,560 in those two places so hence there must 2167 01:36:26,100 --> 01:36:25,300 have been a lost continent somewhere in 2168 01:36:30,270 --> 01:36:26,110 the Indian Ocean 2169 01:36:32,930 --> 01:36:30,280 thus Lemuria that became part of LaVon 2170 01:36:36,689 --> 01:36:32,940 skeeze religion that's who Jay Z night 2171 01:36:38,580 --> 01:36:36,699 channels as her source of spiritual 2172 01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:38,590 wisdom ramped up the enlightened one and 2173 01:36:42,870 --> 01:36:40,810 somehow she was able to pay the fee to 2174 01:36:47,010 --> 01:36:42,880 become a member of the inner circle of 2175 01:36:48,209 --> 01:36:47,020 MUFON I'm serious thousand dollar a five 2176 01:36:50,910 --> 01:36:48,219 thousand dollar donation 2177 01:36:54,570 --> 01:36:50,920 yeah and I can I can see how serious 2178 01:36:57,390 --> 01:36:54,580 researchers into UFOs would be a little 2179 01:36:59,160 --> 01:36:57,400 little upset at that I I think it's a I 2180 01:37:02,490 --> 01:36:59,170 don't think it's a good idea at all 2181 01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:02,500 anytime anything like that happens then 2182 01:37:06,750 --> 01:37:04,570 you're putting some type of control in 2183 01:37:12,590 --> 01:37:06,760 the hands of someone that doesn't 2184 01:37:15,870 --> 01:37:12,600 necessarily deserve it and I listen to 2185 01:37:17,189 --> 01:37:15,880 Kevin Randle was doing a show for a 2186 01:37:18,959 --> 01:37:17,199 short time 2187 01:37:21,300 --> 01:37:18,969 and here's one of the articles I've read 2188 01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:21,310 about that ya interviewed sources 2189 01:37:29,729 --> 01:37:24,010 mission yes he interviewed Jan Harrison 2190 01:37:31,650 --> 01:37:29,739 and he he is he basically asked him 2191 01:37:33,510 --> 01:37:31,660 flat-out why are you doing that you know 2192 01:37:36,380 --> 01:37:33,520 I mean it's it's really you know he 2193 01:37:41,220 --> 01:37:36,390 called him on it and I think it's um I 2194 01:37:43,860 --> 01:37:41,230 think I'm not a MUFON member right now I 2195 01:37:46,380 --> 01:37:43,870 don't have all you know things against 2196 01:37:49,500 --> 01:37:46,390 them but I do think that they have taken 2197 01:37:51,209 --> 01:37:49,510 a few wrong turns Jan Harsens trying to 2198 01:37:52,500 --> 01:37:51,219 do a really good job he's got a lot of 2199 01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:52,510 pressure on his plate to bring 2200 01:37:57,630 --> 01:37:54,850 membership up membership is not it's 2201 01:38:00,060 --> 01:37:57,640 only like 3,500 or something like that 2202 01:38:01,500 --> 01:38:00,070 it's not a really big membership so but 2203 01:38:03,090 --> 01:38:01,510 when these people are donating five 2204 01:38:05,850 --> 01:38:03,100 thousand dollars to get into the inner 2205 01:38:07,709 --> 01:38:05,860 circle I just think that's a I think 2206 01:38:09,570 --> 01:38:07,719 that's taboo for any organization right 2207 01:38:10,470 --> 01:38:09,580 itself well yeah I think that's dead 2208 01:38:13,709 --> 01:38:10,480 opens a can of worms 2209 01:38:15,900 --> 01:38:13,719 it's a dangerous practice and as you 2210 01:38:17,970 --> 01:38:15,910 mentioned there's some other controversy 2211 01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:17,980 about that as well but especially when 2212 01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:19,090 you've got somebody who's approaching 2213 01:38:24,450 --> 01:38:22,090 topic this way from from her perspective 2214 01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:24,460 that that really is a clown you know as 2215 01:38:27,990 --> 01:38:26,770 in the organization I belong to we 2216 01:38:30,260 --> 01:38:28,000 certainly wouldn't want somebody on the 2217 01:38:37,020 --> 01:38:30,270 the board of directors who brings a a 2218 01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:37,030 worldview that would call or work that 2219 01:38:40,890 --> 01:38:38,650 would be contrary to what we believe but 2220 01:38:43,470 --> 01:38:40,900 we call our organization into into 2221 01:38:46,020 --> 01:38:43,480 question in any way so again you know 2222 01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:46,030 one of our friends good friend Joe 2223 01:38:51,209 --> 01:38:49,810 Jordan was a is still a director with 2224 01:38:53,010 --> 01:38:51,219 MUFON he came out of the state of 2225 01:38:57,720 --> 01:38:53,020 Florida he's now the National Director 2226 01:39:00,180 --> 01:38:57,730 for South Korea but like me like Josh he 2227 01:39:02,340 --> 01:39:00,190 is a a professing Christian openly 2228 01:39:04,620 --> 01:39:02,350 Christian and what led him to his 2229 01:39:06,390 --> 01:39:04,630 Christian faith was his research his 2230 01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:06,400 investigations into the abduction 2231 01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:10,690 phenomena and found that to his surprise 2232 01:39:19,709 --> 01:39:14,850 there were a number of cases that other 2233 01:39:21,450 --> 01:39:19,719 researchers had basically not publicized 2234 01:39:22,229 --> 01:39:21,460 or not told anyone about because they 2235 01:39:23,700 --> 01:39:22,239 didn't know what to make of the 2236 01:39:27,180 --> 01:39:23,710 information which was that the 2237 01:39:30,930 --> 01:39:27,190 abductions could be stopped by people 2238 01:39:33,470 --> 01:39:30,940 calling on the name of Jesus you know if 2239 01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:33,480 these were entities from another world 2240 01:39:39,570 --> 01:39:35,770 one wonders why that would have any 2241 01:39:42,780 --> 01:39:39,580 effect whatsoever but it was a spiritual 2242 01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:42,790 phenomenon and in the Bible we see that 2243 01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:44,770 the demons that Jesus encountered were 2244 01:39:54,959 --> 01:39:50,080 always subject to people giving them the 2245 01:39:57,209 --> 01:39:54,969 commands in his name that well that is 2246 01:39:59,010 --> 01:39:57,219 an interesting bit of evidence and as he 2247 01:40:01,650 --> 01:39:59,020 began to research he found more and more 2248 01:40:02,910 --> 01:40:01,660 of these cases and Jo like Josh admits 2249 01:40:05,189 --> 01:40:02,920 that at the time he became his 2250 01:40:06,570 --> 01:40:05,199 investigations he was say he was a New 2251 01:40:09,150 --> 01:40:06,580 Ager he said you know carry into 2252 01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:09,160 crystals and you know doing all you know 2253 01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:12,250 the the meditating and stuff as a yeah 2254 01:40:15,540 --> 01:40:13,810 like a good New Ager 2255 01:40:17,010 --> 01:40:15,550 and those are basically how Joe 2256 01:40:20,340 --> 01:40:17,020 describes it not how I would describe it 2257 01:40:23,550 --> 01:40:20,350 but but he says the evidence just led 2258 01:40:24,780 --> 01:40:23,560 him in a different direction and so you 2259 01:40:25,919 --> 01:40:24,790 know that's really what Josh and I are 2260 01:40:29,189 --> 01:40:25,929 saying let's just follow the evidence 2261 01:40:31,380 --> 01:40:29,199 where it leads and again it may be that 2262 01:40:33,270 --> 01:40:31,390 I'm wrong maybe extraterrestrials do 2263 01:40:35,700 --> 01:40:33,280 exist and that God decided it wasn't 2264 01:40:37,380 --> 01:40:35,710 important for us to know and put it in 2265 01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:37,390 the Bible I don't think that's the case 2266 01:40:41,820 --> 01:40:39,610 but yeah hey I could be wrong about that 2267 01:40:44,790 --> 01:40:41,830 but what I do know is that what the 2268 01:40:47,300 --> 01:40:44,800 Bible tells me is that me you everyone 2269 01:40:50,669 --> 01:40:47,310 watching this assuming you're human 2270 01:40:52,110 --> 01:40:50,679 created in God's image created in God's 2271 01:40:55,050 --> 01:40:52,120 image and that status will not change 2272 01:40:58,830 --> 01:40:55,060 regardless regardless of what happens in 2273 01:41:02,010 --> 01:40:58,840 the future hmm interesting 2274 01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:02,020 I like talking to people like you 2275 01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:05,170 because you know just because one of the 2276 01:41:10,650 --> 01:41:07,770 reasons I do this show is that I just 2277 01:41:12,090 --> 01:41:10,660 like to hear people's opinions of what 2278 01:41:14,729 --> 01:41:12,100 they think is going on and this is 2279 01:41:18,209 --> 01:41:14,739 certainly one that I have not heard 2280 01:41:24,030 --> 01:41:18,219 before we're hoping that that would be 2281 01:41:24,540 --> 01:41:24,040 the case there was a talking point you 2282 01:41:27,750 --> 01:41:24,550 had here 2283 01:41:29,700 --> 01:41:27,760 about what WikiLeaks revealed about the 2284 01:41:32,189 --> 01:41:29,710 role of the Pope in the previous US 2285 01:41:34,380 --> 01:41:32,199 presidents I I didn't know there was 2286 01:41:38,660 --> 01:41:34,390 something in those leaked emails that 2287 01:41:41,010 --> 01:41:38,670 had directly to do with that there was a 2288 01:41:42,989 --> 01:41:41,020 well this is actually that's a section 2289 01:41:46,169 --> 01:41:42,999 of the book that Josh really dug into 2290 01:41:47,879 --> 01:41:46,179 I would prefer it if Josh you know 2291 01:41:49,290 --> 01:41:47,889 Mediacom hadn't shut their if rushed 2292 01:41:50,569 --> 01:41:49,300 ahead and shut up Josh tonight that's 2293 01:41:53,459 --> 01:41:50,579 probably what they were trying to stop 2294 01:41:56,459 --> 01:41:53,469 because he's better educated on that 2295 01:41:57,870 --> 01:41:56,469 there was another point that it just 2296 01:41:59,879 --> 01:41:57,880 occurred to me I never got back to do 2297 01:42:04,379 --> 01:41:59,889 when I was talking about the whole crew 2298 01:42:06,419 --> 01:42:04,389 lou von daniken thing and this gets back 2299 01:42:07,919 --> 01:42:06,429 to the Chaos magic aspect of it if you 2300 01:42:12,870 --> 01:42:07,929 don't mind if I just a loo scenario just 2301 01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:12,880 because this comes back to the Bible in 2302 01:42:19,310 --> 01:42:17,650 Genesis 1 verse 2 there is a verse there 2303 01:42:21,509 --> 01:42:19,320 and let me bring it up here 2304 01:42:24,379 --> 01:42:21,519 electronically because it deals with an 2305 01:42:25,739 --> 01:42:24,389 entity that this Kenneth Brandt who was 2306 01:42:30,060 --> 01:42:25,749 aleister crowley's 2307 01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:30,070 successor named the God that he believed 2308 01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:31,570 was reaching out to try to contact him 2309 01:42:40,799 --> 01:42:38,610 this this - or set this god of chaos who 2310 01:42:42,469 --> 01:42:40,809 he believed we needed to get right with 2311 01:42:44,549 --> 01:42:42,479 because he was coming back someday and 2312 01:42:46,830 --> 01:42:44,559 actually this is an entity that's 2313 01:42:50,100 --> 01:42:46,840 mentioned in the Bible but it's just 2314 01:42:53,069 --> 01:42:50,110 another one that we never hear about it 2315 01:42:54,540 --> 01:42:53,079 Church because it's you start digging 2316 01:42:56,189 --> 01:42:54,550 into theology you start digging the 2317 01:42:59,250 --> 01:42:56,199 original Hebrew text and it gets a 2318 01:43:00,479 --> 01:42:59,260 little complex but you know I would 2319 01:43:02,759 --> 01:43:00,489 suggest when you're dealing with matters 2320 01:43:04,979 --> 01:43:02,769 of eternal consequence you know like 2321 01:43:07,200 --> 01:43:04,989 heaven and hell maybe it's worth our 2322 01:43:10,049 --> 01:43:07,210 time to study it anyway in the beginning 2323 01:43:11,250 --> 01:43:10,059 God created heaven sin the earth the 2324 01:43:13,919 --> 01:43:11,260 earth was without form and void and 2325 01:43:16,890 --> 01:43:13,929 darkness was over the face of the deep 2326 01:43:20,459 --> 01:43:16,900 the word translated deep there is a 2327 01:43:22,890 --> 01:43:20,469 Hebrew word - home that word - home is a 2328 01:43:25,819 --> 01:43:22,900 cognate that means same word different 2329 01:43:30,020 --> 01:43:25,829 language with an Akkadian word tend to 2330 01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:30,030 that word temptin was the name of the 2331 01:43:38,160 --> 01:43:34,570 chaos dragon of Sumerian mythology 2332 01:43:40,890 --> 01:43:38,170 called Tiamat and this chaos dragon was 2333 01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:40,900 chaos serpent shows up in a number of 2334 01:43:44,750 --> 01:43:43,210 ancient Near Eastern religions in the 2335 01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:44,760 Bible it's called Leviathan the 2336 01:43:50,669 --> 01:43:46,690 Canaanites had the name for it they 2337 01:43:52,290 --> 01:43:50,679 called it Lotan you had set and taifa - 2338 01:43:54,820 --> 01:43:52,300 was the Greek version of this chaos 2339 01:43:57,400 --> 01:43:54,830 monster but 2340 01:44:00,100 --> 01:43:57,410 the theme was the same in all of these 2341 01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:00,110 ancient religions that a warrior God in 2342 01:44:06,610 --> 01:44:03,050 the Bible its Yahweh Sumerians it was 2343 01:44:10,240 --> 01:44:06,620 first Enlil and then later it was Marduk 2344 01:44:13,090 --> 01:44:10,250 when the Babylonians took over in the 2345 01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:13,100 Canaanite mythology it was bail and then 2346 01:44:19,320 --> 01:44:15,530 Zeus in the Greek myth had to defeat the 2347 01:44:22,690 --> 01:44:19,330 caste monster - in order to establish 2348 01:44:25,990 --> 01:44:22,700 order out of chaos if you will but this 2349 01:44:28,750 --> 01:44:26,000 theme was that chaos was represented by 2350 01:44:30,010 --> 01:44:28,760 the ocean and especially sea monster you 2351 01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:30,020 see it mentioned a few times in the 2352 01:44:35,050 --> 01:44:31,610 Bible there are times when the ocean is 2353 01:44:39,300 --> 01:44:35,060 clearly used as a symbol for chaos or 2354 01:44:43,120 --> 01:44:39,310 disorder but we see that even though 2355 01:44:46,450 --> 01:44:43,130 this chaos entity is defeated by the 2356 01:44:48,820 --> 01:44:46,460 second verse of the Bible it's not dead 2357 01:44:51,130 --> 01:44:48,830 I mean it's supernatural it's not dead 2358 01:44:52,570 --> 01:44:51,140 yet but there's an interesting reference 2359 01:44:54,490 --> 01:44:52,580 right at the end of the Bible in the 2360 01:44:58,120 --> 01:44:54,500 second-to-last chapter Revelation 2361 01:45:00,880 --> 01:44:58,130 chapter 21 and of course now our 2362 01:45:03,190 --> 01:45:00,890 internet is getting slow the Apostle 2363 01:45:05,260 --> 01:45:03,200 John in Revelation 21 writes then I saw 2364 01:45:07,030 --> 01:45:05,270 a new heaven and a new earth for the 2365 01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:07,040 first heaven and the first earth had 2366 01:45:10,540 --> 01:45:08,690 passed away this is a prophecy of 2367 01:45:12,250 --> 01:45:10,550 something in the future a new heaven and 2368 01:45:15,940 --> 01:45:12,260 a new earth because the first one passed 2369 01:45:19,930 --> 01:45:15,950 away but then he adds and the sea was no 2370 01:45:21,220 --> 01:45:19,940 more the sea was no well obviously the 2371 01:45:23,110 --> 01:45:21,230 first heaven first earth passed away 2372 01:45:25,750 --> 01:45:23,120 that sea would have passed away with the 2373 01:45:28,150 --> 01:45:25,760 first earth right the John mentions it 2374 01:45:30,700 --> 01:45:28,160 separately because again in the Bible 2375 01:45:33,580 --> 01:45:30,710 and in the ancient Near East for 2376 01:45:36,160 --> 01:45:33,590 thousands of years the sea represented 2377 01:45:38,680 --> 01:45:36,170 casas with this chaos entity in fact in 2378 01:45:41,230 --> 01:45:38,690 the Canaanite myth their chief God 2379 01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:41,240 bailed who was the storm God had to 2380 01:45:47,050 --> 01:45:44,090 fight against the god of the sea called 2381 01:45:51,010 --> 01:45:47,060 yam and defeated in order to claim his 2382 01:45:54,850 --> 01:45:51,020 kingship over the guns the Bible 2383 01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:54,860 reflects this Genesis 1 verse to Spirit 2384 01:45:58,030 --> 01:45:56,330 of God hovering over the face of the 2385 01:46:01,540 --> 01:45:58,040 deep almost as thought was containing it 2386 01:46:03,340 --> 01:46:01,550 keeping it restrained but it isn't until 2387 01:46:06,899 --> 01:46:03,350 revelation 21 new heaven new earth and 2388 01:46:09,930 --> 01:46:06,909 the sea chaos was no more 2389 01:46:13,110 --> 01:46:09,940 kenneth grant believes that this chaos 2390 01:46:14,700 --> 01:46:13,120 monster set or typhoon is what's coming 2391 01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:14,710 back and he developed his whole magical 2392 01:46:20,250 --> 01:46:17,370 system about it do a search on the web 2393 01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:20,260 if you're feeling brave for chaos magic 2394 01:46:25,290 --> 01:46:22,690 you'll see a lot of information out 2395 01:46:27,510 --> 01:46:25,300 there about how to practice it and what 2396 01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:27,520 it's good for today I don't recommend 2397 01:46:31,110 --> 01:46:29,530 dabbling in it obviously as a Christian 2398 01:46:35,220 --> 01:46:31,120 I'm just telling you that it's out there 2399 01:46:37,229 --> 01:46:35,230 it's a thing but the thing that I find 2400 01:46:38,810 --> 01:46:37,239 really curious about this is that the 2401 01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:38,820 search for extraterrestrial intelligence 2402 01:46:41,820 --> 01:46:41,050 which is the search for signals coming 2403 01:46:45,240 --> 01:46:41,830 from outer space 2404 01:46:48,419 --> 01:46:45,250 the acronym SETI is the Egyptian word 2405 01:46:52,740 --> 01:46:48,429 that means man upset man of the chaos 2406 01:46:53,970 --> 01:46:52,750 God and Richard Greer's organization the 2407 01:47:00,169 --> 01:46:53,980 Center for the Study of extraterrestrial 2408 01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:00,179 intelligence C SETI like wise man said 2409 01:47:06,870 --> 01:47:04,090 probably a coincidence probably oh I 2410 01:47:08,669 --> 01:47:06,880 don't know so the Bible you know you 2411 01:47:10,860 --> 01:47:08,679 were talking about translation you know 2412 01:47:13,740 --> 01:47:10,870 it was I guess from Hebrew to Greek 2413 01:47:17,490 --> 01:47:13,750 sometime around the 3rd century BC and 2414 01:47:21,090 --> 01:47:17,500 then the Dead Sea scrolls were found but 2415 01:47:24,330 --> 01:47:21,100 the translation of the Bible then 2416 01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:24,340 there's King James Bible and then 2417 01:47:30,450 --> 01:47:27,010 there's the I don't know what you would 2418 01:47:34,110 --> 01:47:30,460 call it the when they changed everything 2419 01:47:36,270 --> 01:47:34,120 everything to yea thou shalt and all 2420 01:47:38,820 --> 01:47:36,280 that stuff you know there's been many 2421 01:47:42,689 --> 01:47:38,830 translations is what I'm getting at how 2422 01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:42,699 do we know how first of all you know 2423 01:47:47,070 --> 01:47:44,650 this is of course their show about UFOs 2424 01:47:49,260 --> 01:47:47,080 but it's still interesting to me to ask 2425 01:47:51,660 --> 01:47:49,270 you know this question how do we know 2426 01:47:54,120 --> 01:47:51,670 what you're reading today in the Bible 2427 01:47:56,939 --> 01:47:54,130 is anything like it's kind of like the 2428 01:47:58,979 --> 01:47:56,949 game telephone what started out as an 2429 01:48:01,110 --> 01:47:58,989 illicit that's a really excellent 2430 01:48:04,050 --> 01:48:01,120 question and it gets back to what I said 2431 01:48:06,300 --> 01:48:04,060 earlier that there were more old copies 2432 01:48:08,750 --> 01:48:06,310 of texts for the Bible than there is for 2433 01:48:11,610 --> 01:48:08,760 anything else out of the ancient world 2434 01:48:13,979 --> 01:48:11,620 the oldest complete copy of the book 2435 01:48:15,540 --> 01:48:13,989 probably goes back about 326 and you 2436 01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:15,550 think okay well that's 300 years after 2437 01:48:21,180 --> 01:48:17,770 Jesus died that's not very new well yeah 2438 01:48:23,700 --> 01:48:21,190 okay but the oldest copy that we have 2439 01:48:25,380 --> 01:48:23,710 rather yeah the oldest copy of anything 2440 01:48:28,590 --> 01:48:25,390 that we've got from say Julius Caesar 2441 01:48:32,100 --> 01:48:28,600 who lived about fifty years before Jesus 2442 01:48:34,350 --> 01:48:32,110 of Nazareth they just about a thousand 2443 01:48:35,940 --> 01:48:34,360 BC or a thousand AD rather so you've got 2444 01:48:38,040 --> 01:48:35,950 a thousand years but nobody questions 2445 01:48:39,930 --> 01:48:38,050 that Julius Caesar actually wrote his 2446 01:48:42,780 --> 01:48:39,940 history of how he defeated the you know 2447 01:48:45,330 --> 01:48:42,790 the Celtic tribes in Gaul there are 2448 01:48:47,730 --> 01:48:45,340 other examples like that but the thing 2449 01:48:50,340 --> 01:48:47,740 that really got it for me is this when 2450 01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:50,350 you look at the letters of the early 2451 01:48:55,050 --> 01:48:52,570 church fathers and we're talking about 2452 01:48:56,070 --> 01:48:55,060 before the Council of Nicaea because I 2453 01:48:58,860 --> 01:48:56,080 know there are a lot of people who think 2454 01:49:00,720 --> 01:48:58,870 oh yeah Constantine the Great basically 2455 01:49:02,190 --> 01:49:00,730 took the books that he wanted threw 2456 01:49:04,650 --> 01:49:02,200 everything else out it the Council of 2457 01:49:07,890 --> 01:49:04,660 Nicaea well that's actually not true but 2458 01:49:09,540 --> 01:49:07,900 setting that aside when you take the 2459 01:49:12,510 --> 01:49:09,550 letters of the early church fathers from 2460 01:49:14,760 --> 01:49:12,520 the second early second through early 2461 01:49:17,160 --> 01:49:14,770 third century saw a lot from 100 AD to 2462 01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:17,170 the early 200s the letters that they 2463 01:49:22,110 --> 01:49:18,970 wrote back and forth they quoted so much 2464 01:49:23,670 --> 01:49:22,120 scripture New Testament scripture New 2465 01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:23,680 Testament scripture that you could 2466 01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:24,970 reconstruct the entire New Testament 2467 01:49:30,060 --> 01:49:28,570 from their writings except for about 15 2468 01:49:31,530 --> 01:49:30,070 verses and none of those fifteen verses 2469 01:49:34,740 --> 01:49:31,540 and anything to do with doctrine in 2470 01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:34,750 other words Jesus died in the ground 2471 01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:36,730 three days rose again from the dead died 2472 01:49:41,490 --> 01:49:39,010 first since none of that was in those 15 2473 01:49:45,330 --> 01:49:41,500 missing verses so you can use their 2474 01:49:48,150 --> 01:49:45,340 letters as a cross-check on what we got 2475 01:49:49,590 --> 01:49:48,160 later to see if stuff has changed and 2476 01:49:51,810 --> 01:49:49,600 scholars who've done this it found that 2477 01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:51,820 the Bible is over 98% at the New 2478 01:49:56,490 --> 01:49:54,850 Testament over 98% unchanged and none of 2479 01:49:59,190 --> 01:49:56,500 those two and most of those 2% changes 2480 01:50:02,070 --> 01:49:59,200 are like you know grammatical things or 2481 01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:02,080 you know missing diacritical marks or 2482 01:50:07,050 --> 01:50:03,850 pop you know apostrophes and commas and 2483 01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:07,060 things so again they can really we 2484 01:50:13,590 --> 01:50:10,930 really can know the text texts that we 2485 01:50:16,160 --> 01:50:13,600 have accurately preserved for the last 2486 01:50:22,650 --> 01:50:16,170 2,000 years 2487 01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:22,660 interesting yep but how you know getting 2488 01:50:26,910 --> 01:50:24,610 back to the languages you know I know 2489 01:50:29,070 --> 01:50:26,920 that that's always tough to translate 2490 01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:29,080 one language to another you know I mean 2491 01:50:34,440 --> 01:50:31,330 there but but we get at the gist of it 2492 01:50:34,710 --> 01:50:34,450 is the stories of the stories which I 2493 01:50:36,870 --> 01:50:34,720 think 2494 01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:36,880 are kind of some of them are pretty far 2495 01:50:46,170 --> 01:50:41,730 out there and then you know for God 2496 01:50:48,420 --> 01:50:46,180 asking Abraham to sacrifice his son that 2497 01:50:49,620 --> 01:50:48,430 is one thing I just I don't get I don't 2498 01:50:51,570 --> 01:50:49,630 think there would be a god like that I 2499 01:50:53,010 --> 01:50:51,580 don't get that well that that's 2500 01:50:54,390 --> 01:50:53,020 interesting you mentioned it because 2501 01:50:55,770 --> 01:50:54,400 that's actually an area of study now 2502 01:50:57,990 --> 01:50:55,780 that mentioned I'm gonna have to include 2503 01:51:01,590 --> 01:50:58,000 that in the forthcoming book in the 2504 01:51:04,770 --> 01:51:01,600 culture from which Abraham emerged that 2505 01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:04,780 was actually not uncommon that was not 2506 01:51:10,500 --> 01:51:08,410 uncommon now again we have to assume 2507 01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:10,510 that there were other small G God's 2508 01:51:15,990 --> 01:51:13,090 fallen angels if you prefer who were 2509 01:51:17,310 --> 01:51:16,000 whispering things in other ears but when 2510 01:51:19,140 --> 01:51:17,320 you look at the religion of the ancient 2511 01:51:23,550 --> 01:51:19,150 world the Amma writes in particular who 2512 01:51:25,410 --> 01:51:23,560 were a people known the scholars for you 2513 01:51:26,910 --> 01:51:25,420 know last couple hundred years but in 2514 01:51:28,530 --> 01:51:26,920 the days of Abraham they controlled the 2515 01:51:30,360 --> 01:51:28,540 entire ancient Near East everything on a 2516 01:51:32,970 --> 01:51:30,370 map today that's Iraq Syria Jordan 2517 01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:32,980 Israel Lebanon even northern Egypt I 2518 01:51:36,660 --> 01:51:34,930 mean when the Israelites were in Egypt 2519 01:51:38,220 --> 01:51:36,670 they weren't Egyptians ruling northern 2520 01:51:40,530 --> 01:51:38,230 Egypt they were Amma rights they were 2521 01:51:44,970 --> 01:51:40,540 Semitic speaking people like the Hebrews 2522 01:51:48,510 --> 01:51:44,980 and they were really into venerating 2523 01:51:51,570 --> 01:51:48,520 dead ancestors and sacrificing children 2524 01:51:55,860 --> 01:51:51,580 if need be in order to ensure the favor 2525 01:51:57,150 --> 01:51:55,870 other gods in fact in may my wife and I 2526 01:52:00,450 --> 01:51:57,160 had a group of about a hundred people 2527 01:52:01,950 --> 01:52:00,460 are touring Israel Jordan and then going 2528 01:52:03,570 --> 01:52:01,960 to Rome and Sardinia with a smaller 2529 01:52:04,950 --> 01:52:03,580 group and one of the things we'll be 2530 01:52:06,810 --> 01:52:04,960 looking at are the tuffets 2531 01:52:08,310 --> 01:52:06,820 of the Phoenicians who were the 2532 01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:08,320 descendants of the amorite where they 2533 01:52:12,300 --> 01:52:10,210 sacrificed their children to their gods 2534 01:52:15,240 --> 01:52:12,310 so this was not an unknown thing but 2535 01:52:16,380 --> 01:52:15,250 when God said okay do this okay 2536 01:52:19,350 --> 01:52:16,390 testing Abraham's faith but then he 2537 01:52:21,120 --> 01:52:19,360 stopped him so uh this is not who I am 2538 01:52:23,780 --> 01:52:21,130 look over here there's a ram caught in 2539 01:52:29,250 --> 01:52:23,790 the thicket sacrifice that instead but 2540 01:52:31,850 --> 01:52:29,260 yeah shad sacrifice adult sacrifice not 2541 01:52:37,320 --> 01:52:31,860 an uncommon thing in the ancient world 2542 01:52:40,410 --> 01:52:37,330 yeah not good either so your next book 2543 01:52:42,680 --> 01:52:40,420 is I we talked a little bit just before 2544 01:52:45,150 --> 01:52:42,690 the star of the show is kind of going 2545 01:52:48,149 --> 01:52:45,160 this trip that you're going to be making 2546 01:52:50,430 --> 01:52:48,159 sounds absolutely fantastic and 2547 01:52:52,050 --> 01:52:50,440 is that in part of research for this 2548 01:52:54,300 --> 01:52:52,060 book you have and go ahead and announce 2549 01:52:56,640 --> 01:52:54,310 what that's going to be well we'll be in 2550 01:52:59,729 --> 01:52:56,650 Israel from May 6 through the 16th and 2551 01:53:01,020 --> 01:52:59,739 then heading from there to Jordan for a 2552 01:53:03,209 --> 01:53:01,030 few days we'll get to see Mount Nebo 2553 01:53:06,990 --> 01:53:03,219 where Moses looked across the Jordan 2554 01:53:08,610 --> 01:53:07,000 River to see the the promised land we'll 2555 01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:08,620 also get to see some of those dolmens 2556 01:53:14,040 --> 01:53:10,810 which are like miniature stone hinges 2557 01:53:15,540 --> 01:53:14,050 yeah I saw them in Russia they're really 2558 01:53:17,399 --> 01:53:15,550 interesting they don't even know how old 2559 01:53:18,780 --> 01:53:17,409 they are because they're made of stone 2560 01:53:20,970 --> 01:53:18,790 they could be twenty five thousand years 2561 01:53:22,350 --> 01:53:20,980 old they have no idea exactly most 2562 01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:22,360 scholars in the ancient Near East along 2563 01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:23,770 the Jordan River Bend they put into it 2564 01:53:27,060 --> 01:53:25,090 at three thousand years or so which is 2565 01:53:29,970 --> 01:53:27,070 just before Abraham came along three 2566 01:53:31,379 --> 01:53:29,980 four thousand years or so but still 2567 01:53:33,330 --> 01:53:31,389 we'll get a chance to see those and it 2568 01:53:36,330 --> 01:53:33,340 is significant I don't want to take too 2569 01:53:38,129 --> 01:53:36,340 much time here but it ties in with the 2570 01:53:40,500 --> 01:53:38,139 prophecy of Gog and Magog there's a 2571 01:53:43,830 --> 01:53:40,510 curious reference to something called 2572 01:53:46,290 --> 01:53:43,840 the valley at the travelers in the 2573 01:53:48,479 --> 01:53:46,300 prophecy of that war that relates to the 2574 01:53:51,120 --> 01:53:48,489 dolmens but then will be going on the 2575 01:53:52,140 --> 01:53:51,130 19th of may to Rome and then to start 2576 01:53:55,110 --> 01:53:52,150 Denia so we'll get to through the 2577 01:53:56,939 --> 01:53:55,120 Vatican we'll also see the historical 2578 01:53:58,290 --> 01:53:56,949 sites of Rome and then in Sardinia where 2579 01:54:00,510 --> 01:53:58,300 there are number of toughest which are 2580 01:54:03,330 --> 01:54:00,520 ritual sites where children were 2581 01:54:05,790 --> 01:54:03,340 sacrificed in Bury to their God bale 2582 01:54:10,439 --> 01:54:05,800 Haman who scholars equate with the Greek 2583 01:54:13,500 --> 01:54:10,449 god Kronos or Saturn of the Romans L of 2584 01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:13,510 the Canaanites Chronos of course was the 2585 01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:15,850 God who Zeus in the Olympians leader of 2586 01:54:18,860 --> 01:54:17,290 the Titans who Zeus and the Olympians 2587 01:54:21,180 --> 01:54:18,870 overthrew in the sent down to Tartarus 2588 01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:21,190 there's actually a mention in the Bible 2589 01:54:27,780 --> 01:54:24,250 of angels who sinned and were punished 2590 01:54:30,689 --> 01:54:27,790 by being sent to Tartarus Wow 2591 01:54:32,490 --> 01:54:30,699 I don't know how we could have ever had 2592 01:54:35,640 --> 01:54:32,500 the mindset that it's okay to sacrifice 2593 01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:35,650 our children that's just horrible but 2594 01:54:40,740 --> 01:54:38,050 but well God says it never entered his 2595 01:54:42,899 --> 01:54:40,750 mind so that's that's part of the point 2596 01:54:44,640 --> 01:54:42,909 these these are rebel gods who convinced 2597 01:54:47,669 --> 01:54:44,650 the people around ancient Israel to do 2598 01:54:50,250 --> 01:54:47,679 it and I mean if we look to hear it in 2599 01:54:52,070 --> 01:54:50,260 our continent it was a sacrifice that 2600 01:54:54,479 --> 01:54:52,080 was taking place here in the Americas 2601 01:54:58,439 --> 01:54:54,489 yeah there's a lot of things that have 2602 01:55:00,450 --> 01:54:58,449 taken place yeah I know even slavery 2603 01:55:01,939 --> 01:55:00,460 among Native Americans even you know 2604 01:55:03,229 --> 01:55:01,949 among themselves 2605 01:55:04,970 --> 01:55:03,239 so a lot of things that we don't know 2606 01:55:07,700 --> 01:55:04,980 about or ever talked about in history 2607 01:55:10,370 --> 01:55:07,710 learned in school anyway thanks so much 2608 01:55:11,689 --> 01:55:10,380 it's been a real pleasure and again hold 2609 01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:11,699 your book up for the people on YouTube 2610 01:55:20,540 --> 01:55:16,610 one more time can you hear me okay 2611 01:55:23,810 --> 01:55:20,550 well I think we just lost him did we 2612 01:55:26,120 --> 01:55:23,820 just lose you all right no he's gone oh 2613 01:55:29,540 --> 01:55:26,130 there you are okay yeah hold on okay 2614 01:55:31,130 --> 01:55:29,550 more time Oh website is official 2615 01:55:34,790 --> 01:55:31,140 disclosure com that's official 2616 01:55:38,860 --> 01:55:34,800 disclosure com official disclosure com 2617 01:55:46,430 --> 01:55:44,810 all right let's see all right you can if 2618 01:55:48,229 --> 01:55:46,440 you could I'm having trouble with this 2619 01:55:51,470 --> 01:55:48,239 Skype I'm gonna have to ask you to hang 2620 01:55:53,810 --> 01:55:51,480 up if you would thank you very much all 2621 01:55:56,290 --> 01:55:53,820 right all right everyone appreciate it I 2622 01:55:59,090 --> 01:55:56,300 really enjoyed it yes I did - thank you 2623 01:56:02,209 --> 01:55:59,100 all right everyone so that's it for the 2624 01:56:04,340 --> 01:56:02,219 show thanks so much for checking us out 2625 01:56:06,040 --> 01:56:04,350 and listening if you support the show 2626 01:56:08,689 --> 01:56:06,050 thanks so much if you'd like to do that 2627 01:56:11,709 --> 01:56:08,699 and you haven't all you have to do is go 2628 01:56:14,390 --> 01:56:11,719 to podcast UFO comm and it's right there 2629 01:56:16,189 --> 01:56:14,400 so we'll be back next week with Greg 2630 01:56:19,189 --> 01:56:16,199 Bishop I'm really excited about that 2631 01:56:23,150 --> 01:56:19,199 he's got a wonderful podcast called 2632 01:56:25,700 --> 01:56:23,160 radio mysterioso and so he'll be on next 2633 01:56:28,340 --> 01:56:25,710 week he'll be live-streaming with us 2634 01:56:29,510 --> 01:56:28,350 here as usual and I want to thank some 2635 01:56:31,880 --> 01:56:29,520 people that helped out with the show 2636 01:56:34,459 --> 01:56:31,890 first of all Evan the show producer 2637 01:56:37,640 --> 01:56:34,469 thank you we had a challenge tonight and 2638 01:56:41,209 --> 01:56:37,650 you pull through I also want to thank 2639 01:56:43,189 --> 01:56:41,219 Peggy for managing the Facebook page you 2640 01:56:44,780 --> 01:56:43,199 can like us on Facebook I think we have 2641 01:56:48,200 --> 01:56:44,790 a lot of people there and there's 2642 01:56:50,360 --> 01:56:48,210 postings every day on that site we also 2643 01:56:53,240 --> 01:56:50,370 have a guest blog you can check that out 2644 01:56:57,050 --> 01:56:53,250 at podcast UFO comm and that's about to 2645 01:56:59,330 --> 01:56:57,060 the stars an opinion about that so 2646 01:57:01,700 --> 01:56:59,340 that's it and I hope I didn't leave 2647 01:57:05,479 --> 01:57:01,710 anyone out for ya of course I want to 2648 01:57:06,650 --> 01:57:05,489 thank our guest Derek Gilbert that was 2649 01:57:10,130 --> 01:57:06,660 on the show tonight I don't want to 2650 01:57:12,650 --> 01:57:10,140 forget that and so that's it and thank 2651 01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:12,660 you all and remember to keep your eyes 2652 01:57:33,560 --> 01:57:14,970 to the sky